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<div>The goal of this page is to give a global perspective on the problems of the world and the way to fixing them, if can be singled out.<br />
<br />
The problems it's looking to identify must clearly be identified as bad. "hunger, violence..." and similar.<br />
<br />
''Note: try to stick to Millions when quoting figures regarding to worldwide population or budget, in order to keep a better perspective. 265 millions has the trick to unconsciously seem higher than 1.2 billions''<br />
<br />
==List of the problems (please categorize if relevant)==<br />
<br />
===Health===<br />
====Hunger====<br />
*Basal metabolism is between 4600 and 9200 kJ a day depending on stature, age and gender.<br />
**Physically active people must be able to spend a minimum of 12,500 kJ a day.<br />
Source: wikipedia<br />
:Most people around the world require daily physical exertion.<br />
*1000M people are considered malnourished<br />
*36M people die of malnutrition every year (58% of the yearly death toll)<br />
**Of which 5M children, more than half the child-death toll.<br />
Source: Wikipedia<br />
:Children have higher basal metabolism and are more subject to die from lack of calories.<br />
:Note that the causes of death for children must be somewhat dramatic. They can't die of natural causes.<br />
*884M 13% people have no access to a protected source of water<br />
:Source: Wikipedia<br />
**Links to hygiene and epidemies<br />
====Drugs====<br />
====Healthcare====<br />
*XXX people have no health insurrance. XXX have partial health insurance.<br />
*Due to low income, XXX people are not in the position of getting treatment for a grave illness or accident.<br />
====Diseases====<br />
*Epidemic prevention is bellow current standard for XXX people<br />
*Epidemics are not worried about in regions where XXX people live.<br />
<br />
===Violence===<br />
====War====<br />
Megadeath war like WW1 and 2 seem to be out of fashion. The most deadly recent conflict (Congo) has killed 4M over the course of 6 years (98-04), which is way bellow the rate achieved mid-century in Europe.<br />
*Sudden death from war does not represent a significant death toll.<br />
:Source: Heavy web research. Put numbers if you can.<br />
*XXX people are directly affected by a war in the past 10 years<br />
:Can someone dig that number?<br />
*Amount spend yearly worldwide on military: $1,500,000M ($1,5T)<br />
**3% of the World GDP<br />
**Of which 46% is only for the USA (10 times that of the nr2 (China))<br />
**Rising steadily at the rate of 6% per year.<br />
Sources: [http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending Global Issues], [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm Global Security]<br />
*Estimated arm contraband budget worldwide: XXXX<br />
**It seems there are no available figures, neither in $ nor in volume.<br />
**An high availability of guns on a black market is likely to tip political protest into violence.<br />
***Violent protest seem to not work very well. Non violent protest is more likely to lead to change.<br />
**Reducing the availability of weapons is likely to promote social change, in addition to reducing war consequences. (Move to "solutions")<br />
<br />
====Crime====<br />
<br />
====Cultural violence====<br />
=====On women=====<br />
=====On kids=====<br />
<br />
===Inequalities===<br />
*Racial<br />
*Gender<br />
*Social<br />
<br />
===Overpopulation===<br />
**2010 growth rate: 1.2%, steadily losing 0.03 points every year<br />
**Leads to a 2050 peak of 9,200M people followed by a decline (prospect likely to change).<br />
====Carrying capacity of the Earth====<br />
Current: 5,100M humans reducing steadily (as developing countries are developing and consume more per capita).<br />
<br />
Arable land available on Earth: 10 to 20% of exposed surface:<br />
CIA factbook: 15M sq km<br />
Webster: 31M sq km<br />
Irrigated: 2,7M sq km [http://www.theglobaleducationproject.org source] (also CIA factbook)<br />
<br />
***Max: XXXX (optimizing production, limiting consumption)<br />
***Max with current cultivated land: XXXX<br />
XX% of arable land in under intensive farming, XX% in organic farming, XX% in extensive farming.<br />
<br />
Is food the limiting factor? Is in not water? Or energy?<br />
:It could be something as unimportant as lithium. If one ingredient goes missing, many recipes will be unavailable.<br />
<br />
70% of drinking water goes to irrigation.<br />
<br />
===Discrimination===<br />
Globalisation allow for strong mixing of populations. Cultures are confronted to each other more and more.<br />
<br />
===Ecology===<br />
*Fossil fuel is running out<br />
*Biodiversity is running out<br />
*Desertification<br />
*Climate change<br />
*Possible rise of the sea level<br />
*Few recycling chains are available<br />
*The planet will be handed over to the next generation in a worse state<br />
<br />
==Causes of problems==<br />
Do not try to make one cause correspond to one problem. War creates violence AND famines for example. Stick to what is clearly causing ''problems'' globally.<br />
<br />
Let's also concentrate of causes that can be fixed at an acceptable cost.<br />
<br />
Please post your name if you're criticizing an entry.<br />
<br />
===Market economy===<br />
*Consumer side: Consumption society : Material possessions as a way to happiness is causing society to produce non-sustainable quantities.<br />
*Producer side: Cutting costs at all price / Worker exploitation / Creation of artificial needs in consumers<br />
===Representative democracy===<br />
*Elections: Need to please the people to govern.<br />
*Easy for well organized interest groups to create lobbies<br />
*Short mandates = Priority given to short term objectives<br />
===Inconsistent financial system===<br />
*The more complex a system, the more exploitable.<br />
*Easy to escape regulation through financial havens<br />
*Lack of transparency<br />
**Lets the same financial entity be sold multiple times.<br />
**Makes it difficult to check the solvency of a financial institution.<br />
*Increasing automation that increases the risk of catastrophic runaway.<br />
===Media, race for attention===<br />
*Misinformation of the consumer<br />
*Exageration of problems<br />
*Sensationalism<br />
*Combined with representative democracy, a great power is in the hands of private interests.<br />
===Corruption===<br />
*Power corrupts<br />
*Greed corrupts<br />
===Broken education system===<br />
*Clueless parents, debilitating education<br />
*Schools inefficient or elitist<br />
*Children are easy to manipulate / harness<br />
<br />
==Goal==<br />
<br />
===Economics===<br />
*Economical system that integrates the social and ecological factors '''in the essence'''. <br />
*Advertising as "information about a product you might not have heard of" rather than "creation of needs".<br />
*Put the consumer and the producer in the same boat (because that's where they are).<br />
====Growth====<br />
*An economic growth based on the capability of a sector to grow sustainably.<br />
<br />
===Education===<br />
*Relevant<br />
**Localized<br />
**Globalist<br />
*Efficient<br />
*Egalitarian, equalizing<br />
*For all, around the world<br />
<br />
===politics===<br />
*Administration system optimized for longterm objectives.<br />
*Maximised and optimized fragmentation of political power.<br />
<br />
===Cultural identity===<br />
*Each culture has a part of openness and a part of seclusion. Emphasize openness.<br />
<br />
===Media===<br />
*Controled by the citizens<br />
<br />
===Localization===<br />
Production of goods geographically close to their consumption.<br />
<br />
===War===<br />
*End country to country wars<br />
*End civil war<br />
*End weapon contraband<br />
<br />
===Ecology===<br />
*Stop the destruction of ecosystems.<br />
*Reconstruct the destroyed ecosystems.<br />
<br />
==How to get there==<br />
<br />
Whatever you suggest must be DOABLE. In less than a year if possible.<br />
<br />
For anything that can't be done in one year, please tag with LT for Long Term.<br />
<br />
===Finance===<br />
*Modernize the concept of money-as-trust.<br />
**Base the trust-value on actual personal trust.<br />
*Pass financial legislation at the global level. UN international law.<br />
**Regulate or suppress exchanges between the UN economical space and the rogue economies.<br />
<br />
===Localization===<br />
*Global carbon-tax based on the transportation of goods, reinvested in the destination region.<br />
<br />
===War===<br />
*Indexind military budget on other administrative budgets.<br />
====Weapon contraband====<br />
*Produced in licensed factories: have a UN referer in every one of them to ensure the traceability of each gun.<br />
*Produced in unauthorized factories: seek and destroy<br />
====UN reform====<br />
*Suppression of "permanent member" status at the security council.<br />
*Index the UN weight of each country to the Human Footprint Index.<br />
*Set up a UN standing army.<br />
*Set up a UN terraforming unit (see mandate bellow).<br />
<br />
===Terraforming===<br />
*Win back on the desert.<br />
*Replant the most critical forests.<br />
*Reconstruct the habitat of the most endangered species.<br />
<br />
===Culture===<br />
*Promote vegetarianism<br />
<br />
==Links==<br />
* http://fix-the-world.wikispaces.com/</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Fixing_the_world&diff=4287Fixing the world2010-12-20T13:36:47Z<p>Sitarane: /* How to get there */</p>
<hr />
<div>The goal of this page is to give a global perspective on the problems of the world and the way to fixing them, if can be singled out.<br />
<br />
The problems it's looking to identify must clearly be identified as bad. "hunger, violence..." and similar.<br />
<br />
''Note: try to stick to Millions when quoting figures regarding to worldwide population or budget, in order to keep a better perspective. 265 millions has the trick to unconsciously seem higher than 1.2 billions''<br />
<br />
==List of the problems (please categorize if relevant)==<br />
<br />
===Health===<br />
====Hunger====<br />
*Basal metabolism is between 4600 and 9200 kJ a day depending on stature, age and gender.<br />
**Physically active people must be able to spend a minimum of 12,500 kJ a day.<br />
Source: wikipedia<br />
:Most people around the world require daily physical exertion.<br />
*1000M people are considered malnourished<br />
*36M people die of malnutrition every year (58% of the yearly death toll)<br />
**Of which 5M children, more than half the child-death toll.<br />
Source: Wikipedia<br />
:Children have higher basal metabolism and are more subject to die from lack of calories.<br />
:Note that the causes of death for children must be somewhat dramatic. They can't die of natural causes.<br />
*884M 13% people have no access to a protected source of water<br />
:Source: Wikipedia<br />
**Links to hygiene and epidemies<br />
====Drugs====<br />
====Healthcare====<br />
*XXX people have no health insurrance. XXX have partial health insurance.<br />
*Due to low income, XXX people are not in the position of getting treatment for a grave illness or accident.<br />
====Diseases====<br />
*Epidemic prevention is bellow current standard for XXX people<br />
*Epidemics are not worried about in regions where XXX people live.<br />
<br />
===Violence===<br />
====War====<br />
Megadeath war like WW1 and 2 seem to be out of fashion. The most deadly recent conflict (Congo) has killed 4M over the course of 6 years (98-04), which is way bellow the rate achieved mid-century in Europe.<br />
*Sudden death from war does not represent a significant death toll.<br />
:Source: Heavy web research. Put numbers if you can.<br />
*XXX people are directly affected by a war in the past 10 years<br />
:Can someone dig that number?<br />
*Amount spend yearly worldwide on military: $1,500,000M ($1,5T)<br />
**3% of the World GDP<br />
**Of which 46% is only for the USA (10 times that of the nr2 (China))<br />
**Rising steadily at the rate of 6% per year.<br />
Sources: [http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending Global Issues], [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm Global Security]<br />
*Estimated arm contraband budget worldwide: XXXX<br />
**It seems there are no available figures, neither in $ nor in volume.<br />
**An high availability of guns on a black market is likely to tip political protest into violence.<br />
***Violent protest seem to not work very well. Non violent protest is more likely to lead to change.<br />
**Reducing the availability of weapons is likely to promote social change, in addition to reducing war consequences. (Move to "solutions")<br />
<br />
====Crime====<br />
<br />
====Cultural violence====<br />
=====On women=====<br />
=====On kids=====<br />
<br />
===Inequalities===<br />
*Racial<br />
*Gender<br />
*Social<br />
<br />
===Overpopulation===<br />
**2010 growth rate: 1.2%, steadily losing 0.03 points every year<br />
**Leads to a 2050 peak of 9,200M people followed by a decline (prospect likely to change).<br />
====Carrying capacity of the Earth====<br />
Current: 5,100M humans reducing steadily (as developing countries are developing and consume more per capita).<br />
<br />
Arable land available on Earth: 10 to 20% of exposed surface:<br />
CIA factbook: 15M sq km<br />
Webster: 31M sq km<br />
Irrigated: 2,7M sq km [http://www.theglobaleducationproject.org source] (also CIA factbook)<br />
<br />
***Max: XXXX (optimizing production, limiting consumption)<br />
***Max with current cultivated land: XXXX<br />
XX% of arable land in under intensive farming, XX% in organic farming, XX% in extensive farming.<br />
<br />
Is food the limiting factor? Is in not water? Or energy?<br />
:It could be something as unimportant as lithium. If one ingredient goes missing, many recipes will be unavailable.<br />
<br />
70% of drinking water goes to irrigation.<br />
<br />
===Discrimination===<br />
Globalisation allow for strong mixing of populations. Cultures are confronted to each other more and more.<br />
<br />
===Ecology===<br />
*Fossil fuel is running out<br />
*Biodiversity is running out<br />
*Desertification<br />
*Climate change<br />
*Possible rise of the sea level<br />
*Few recycling chains are available<br />
*The planet will be handed over to the next generation in a worse state<br />
<br />
==Causes of problems==<br />
Do not try to make one cause correspond to one problem. War creates violence AND famines for example. Stick to what is clearly causing ''problems'' globally.<br />
<br />
Let's also concentrate of causes that can be fixed at an acceptable cost.<br />
<br />
Please post your name if you're criticizing an entry.<br />
<br />
===Market economy===<br />
*Consumer side: Consumption society : Material possessions as a way to happiness is causing society to produce non-sustainable quantities.<br />
*Producer side: Cutting costs at all price / Worker exploitation / Creation of artificial needs in consumers<br />
===Representative democracy===<br />
*Elections: Need to please the people to govern.<br />
*Easy for well organized interest groups to create lobbies<br />
*Short mandates = Priority given to short term objectives<br />
===Inconsistent financial system===<br />
*The more complex a system, the more exploitable.<br />
*Easy to escape regulation through financial havens<br />
*Lack of transparency<br />
**Lets the same financial entity be sold multiple times.<br />
**Makes it difficult to check the solvency of a financial institution.<br />
*Increasing automation that increases the risk of catastrophic runaway.<br />
===Media, race for attention===<br />
*Misinformation of the consumer<br />
*Exageration of problems<br />
*Sensationalism<br />
*Combined with representative democracy, a great power is in the hands of private interests.<br />
===Corruption===<br />
*Power corrupts humans<br />
*Greed corrupts humans<br />
*Deciders are humans<br />
===Broken education system===<br />
*Clueless parents, debilitating education<br />
*Schools inefficient or elitist<br />
*Children are easy to manipulate / harness<br />
<br />
==Goal==<br />
<br />
===Economics===<br />
*Economical system that integrates the social and ecological factors '''in the essence'''. <br />
*Advertising as "information about a product you might not have heard of" rather than "creation of needs".<br />
*Put the consumer and the producer in the same boat (because that's where they are).<br />
====Growth====<br />
*An economic growth based on the capability of a sector to grow sustainably.<br />
<br />
===Education===<br />
*Relevant<br />
**Localized<br />
**Globalist<br />
*Efficient<br />
*Egalitarian, equalizing<br />
*For all, around the world<br />
<br />
===politics===<br />
*Administration system optimized for longterm objectives.<br />
*Maximised and optimized fragmentation of political power.<br />
<br />
===Cultural identity===<br />
*Each culture has a part of openness and a part of seclusion. Emphasize openness.<br />
<br />
===Media===<br />
*Controled by the citizens<br />
<br />
===Localization===<br />
Production of goods geographically close to their consumption.<br />
<br />
===War===<br />
*End country to country wars<br />
*End civil war<br />
*End weapon contraband<br />
<br />
===Ecology===<br />
*Stop the destruction of ecosystems.<br />
*Reconstruct the destroyed ecosystems.<br />
<br />
==How to get there==<br />
<br />
Whatever you suggest must be DOABLE. In less than a year if possible.<br />
<br />
For anything that can't be done in one year, please tag with LT for Long Term.<br />
<br />
===Finance===<br />
*Modernize the concept of money-as-trust.<br />
**Base the trust-value on actual personal trust.<br />
*Pass financial legislation at the global level. UN international law.<br />
**Regulate or suppress exchanges between the UN economical space and the rogue economies.<br />
<br />
===Localization===<br />
*Global carbon-tax based on the transportation of goods, reinvested in the destination region.<br />
<br />
===War===<br />
*Indexind military budget on other administrative budgets.<br />
====Weapon contraband====<br />
*Produced in licensed factories: have a UN referer in every one of them to ensure the traceability of each gun.<br />
*Produced in unauthorized factories: seek and destroy<br />
====UN reform====<br />
*Suppression of "permanent member" status at the security council.<br />
*Index the UN weight of each country to the Human Footprint Index.<br />
*Set up a UN standing army.<br />
*Set up a UN terraforming unit (see mandate bellow).<br />
<br />
===Terraforming===<br />
*Win back on the desert.<br />
*Replant the most critical forests.<br />
*Reconstruct the habitat of the most endangered species.<br />
<br />
===Culture===<br />
*Promote vegetarianism<br />
<br />
==Links==<br />
* http://fix-the-world.wikispaces.com/</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Fixing_the_world&diff=4286Fixing the world2010-12-20T13:36:25Z<p>Sitarane: /* Goal */</p>
<hr />
<div>The goal of this page is to give a global perspective on the problems of the world and the way to fixing them, if can be singled out.<br />
<br />
The problems it's looking to identify must clearly be identified as bad. "hunger, violence..." and similar.<br />
<br />
''Note: try to stick to Millions when quoting figures regarding to worldwide population or budget, in order to keep a better perspective. 265 millions has the trick to unconsciously seem higher than 1.2 billions''<br />
<br />
==List of the problems (please categorize if relevant)==<br />
<br />
===Health===<br />
====Hunger====<br />
*Basal metabolism is between 4600 and 9200 kJ a day depending on stature, age and gender.<br />
**Physically active people must be able to spend a minimum of 12,500 kJ a day.<br />
Source: wikipedia<br />
:Most people around the world require daily physical exertion.<br />
*1000M people are considered malnourished<br />
*36M people die of malnutrition every year (58% of the yearly death toll)<br />
**Of which 5M children, more than half the child-death toll.<br />
Source: Wikipedia<br />
:Children have higher basal metabolism and are more subject to die from lack of calories.<br />
:Note that the causes of death for children must be somewhat dramatic. They can't die of natural causes.<br />
*884M 13% people have no access to a protected source of water<br />
:Source: Wikipedia<br />
**Links to hygiene and epidemies<br />
====Drugs====<br />
====Healthcare====<br />
*XXX people have no health insurrance. XXX have partial health insurance.<br />
*Due to low income, XXX people are not in the position of getting treatment for a grave illness or accident.<br />
====Diseases====<br />
*Epidemic prevention is bellow current standard for XXX people<br />
*Epidemics are not worried about in regions where XXX people live.<br />
<br />
===Violence===<br />
====War====<br />
Megadeath war like WW1 and 2 seem to be out of fashion. The most deadly recent conflict (Congo) has killed 4M over the course of 6 years (98-04), which is way bellow the rate achieved mid-century in Europe.<br />
*Sudden death from war does not represent a significant death toll.<br />
:Source: Heavy web research. Put numbers if you can.<br />
*XXX people are directly affected by a war in the past 10 years<br />
:Can someone dig that number?<br />
*Amount spend yearly worldwide on military: $1,500,000M ($1,5T)<br />
**3% of the World GDP<br />
**Of which 46% is only for the USA (10 times that of the nr2 (China))<br />
**Rising steadily at the rate of 6% per year.<br />
Sources: [http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending Global Issues], [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm Global Security]<br />
*Estimated arm contraband budget worldwide: XXXX<br />
**It seems there are no available figures, neither in $ nor in volume.<br />
**An high availability of guns on a black market is likely to tip political protest into violence.<br />
***Violent protest seem to not work very well. Non violent protest is more likely to lead to change.<br />
**Reducing the availability of weapons is likely to promote social change, in addition to reducing war consequences. (Move to "solutions")<br />
<br />
====Crime====<br />
<br />
====Cultural violence====<br />
=====On women=====<br />
=====On kids=====<br />
<br />
===Inequalities===<br />
*Racial<br />
*Gender<br />
*Social<br />
<br />
===Overpopulation===<br />
**2010 growth rate: 1.2%, steadily losing 0.03 points every year<br />
**Leads to a 2050 peak of 9,200M people followed by a decline (prospect likely to change).<br />
====Carrying capacity of the Earth====<br />
Current: 5,100M humans reducing steadily (as developing countries are developing and consume more per capita).<br />
<br />
Arable land available on Earth: 10 to 20% of exposed surface:<br />
CIA factbook: 15M sq km<br />
Webster: 31M sq km<br />
Irrigated: 2,7M sq km [http://www.theglobaleducationproject.org source] (also CIA factbook)<br />
<br />
***Max: XXXX (optimizing production, limiting consumption)<br />
***Max with current cultivated land: XXXX<br />
XX% of arable land in under intensive farming, XX% in organic farming, XX% in extensive farming.<br />
<br />
Is food the limiting factor? Is in not water? Or energy?<br />
:It could be something as unimportant as lithium. If one ingredient goes missing, many recipes will be unavailable.<br />
<br />
70% of drinking water goes to irrigation.<br />
<br />
===Discrimination===<br />
Globalisation allow for strong mixing of populations. Cultures are confronted to each other more and more.<br />
<br />
===Ecology===<br />
*Fossil fuel is running out<br />
*Biodiversity is running out<br />
*Desertification<br />
*Climate change<br />
*Possible rise of the sea level<br />
*Few recycling chains are available<br />
*The planet will be handed over to the next generation in a worse state<br />
<br />
==Causes of problems==<br />
Do not try to make one cause correspond to one problem. War creates violence AND famines for example. Stick to what is clearly causing ''problems'' globally.<br />
<br />
Let's also concentrate of causes that can be fixed at an acceptable cost.<br />
<br />
Please post your name if you're criticizing an entry.<br />
<br />
===Market economy===<br />
*Consumer side: Consumption society : Material possessions as a way to happiness is causing society to produce non-sustainable quantities.<br />
*Producer side: Cutting costs at all price / Worker exploitation / Creation of artificial needs in consumers<br />
===Representative democracy===<br />
*Elections: Need to please the people to govern.<br />
*Easy for well organized interest groups to create lobbies<br />
*Short mandates = Priority given to short term objectives<br />
===Inconsistent financial system===<br />
*The more complex a system, the more exploitable.<br />
*Easy to escape regulation through financial havens<br />
*Lack of transparency<br />
**Lets the same financial entity be sold multiple times.<br />
**Makes it difficult to check the solvency of a financial institution.<br />
*Increasing automation that increases the risk of catastrophic runaway.<br />
===Media, race for attention===<br />
*Misinformation of the consumer<br />
*Exageration of problems<br />
*Sensationalism<br />
*Combined with representative democracy, a great power is in the hands of private interests.<br />
===Corruption===<br />
*Power corrupts humans<br />
*Greed corrupts humans<br />
*Deciders are humans<br />
===Broken education system===<br />
*Clueless parents, debilitating education<br />
*Schools inefficient or elitist<br />
*Children are easy to manipulate / harness<br />
<br />
==Goal==<br />
<br />
===Economics===<br />
*Economical system that integrates the social and ecological factors '''in the essence'''. <br />
*Advertising as "information about a product you might not have heard of" rather than "creation of needs".<br />
*Put the consumer and the producer in the same boat (because that's where they are).<br />
====Growth====<br />
*An economic growth based on the capability of a sector to grow sustainably.<br />
<br />
===Education===<br />
*Relevant<br />
**Localized<br />
**Globalist<br />
*Efficient<br />
*Egalitarian, equalizing<br />
*For all, around the world<br />
<br />
===politics===<br />
*Administration system optimized for longterm objectives.<br />
*Maximised and optimized fragmentation of political power.<br />
<br />
===Cultural identity===<br />
*Each culture has a part of openness and a part of seclusion. Emphasize openness.<br />
<br />
===Media===<br />
*Controled by the citizens<br />
<br />
===Localization===<br />
Production of goods geographically close to their consumption.<br />
<br />
===War===<br />
*End country to country wars<br />
*End civil war<br />
*End weapon contraband<br />
<br />
===Ecology===<br />
*Stop the destruction of ecosystems.<br />
*Reconstruct the destroyed ecosystems.<br />
<br />
==How to get there==<br />
<br />
===Finance===<br />
*Modernize the concept of money-as-trust.<br />
**Base the trust-value on actual personal trust.<br />
*Pass financial legislation at the global level. UN international law.<br />
**Regulate or suppress exchanges between the UN economical space and the rogue economies.<br />
<br />
===Localization===<br />
*Global carbon-tax based on the transportation of goods, reinvested in the destination region.<br />
<br />
===War===<br />
*Indexind military budget on other administrative budgets.<br />
====Weapon contraband====<br />
*Produced in licensed factories: have a UN referer in every one of them to ensure the traceability of each gun.<br />
*Produced in unauthorized factories: seek and destroy<br />
====UN reform====<br />
*Suppression of "permanent member" status at the security council.<br />
*Index the UN weight of each country to the Human Footprint Index.<br />
*Set up a UN standing army.<br />
*Set up a UN terraforming unit (see mandate bellow).<br />
<br />
===Terraforming===<br />
*Win back on the desert.<br />
*Replant the most critical forests.<br />
*Reconstruct the habitat of the most endangered species.<br />
<br />
===Culture===<br />
*Promote vegetarianism<br />
<br />
==Links==<br />
* http://fix-the-world.wikispaces.com/</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Fixing_the_world&diff=4285Fixing the world2010-12-20T13:33:37Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
<hr />
<div>The goal of this page is to give a global perspective on the problems of the world and the way to fixing them, if can be singled out.<br />
<br />
The problems it's looking to identify must clearly be identified as bad. "hunger, violence..." and similar.<br />
<br />
''Note: try to stick to Millions when quoting figures regarding to worldwide population or budget, in order to keep a better perspective. 265 millions has the trick to unconsciously seem higher than 1.2 billions''<br />
<br />
==List of the problems (please categorize if relevant)==<br />
<br />
===Health===<br />
====Hunger====<br />
*Basal metabolism is between 4600 and 9200 kJ a day depending on stature, age and gender.<br />
**Physically active people must be able to spend a minimum of 12,500 kJ a day.<br />
Source: wikipedia<br />
:Most people around the world require daily physical exertion.<br />
*1000M people are considered malnourished<br />
*36M people die of malnutrition every year (58% of the yearly death toll)<br />
**Of which 5M children, more than half the child-death toll.<br />
Source: Wikipedia<br />
:Children have higher basal metabolism and are more subject to die from lack of calories.<br />
:Note that the causes of death for children must be somewhat dramatic. They can't die of natural causes.<br />
*884M 13% people have no access to a protected source of water<br />
:Source: Wikipedia<br />
**Links to hygiene and epidemies<br />
====Drugs====<br />
====Healthcare====<br />
*XXX people have no health insurrance. XXX have partial health insurance.<br />
*Due to low income, XXX people are not in the position of getting treatment for a grave illness or accident.<br />
====Diseases====<br />
*Epidemic prevention is bellow current standard for XXX people<br />
*Epidemics are not worried about in regions where XXX people live.<br />
<br />
===Violence===<br />
====War====<br />
Megadeath war like WW1 and 2 seem to be out of fashion. The most deadly recent conflict (Congo) has killed 4M over the course of 6 years (98-04), which is way bellow the rate achieved mid-century in Europe.<br />
*Sudden death from war does not represent a significant death toll.<br />
:Source: Heavy web research. Put numbers if you can.<br />
*XXX people are directly affected by a war in the past 10 years<br />
:Can someone dig that number?<br />
*Amount spend yearly worldwide on military: $1,500,000M ($1,5T)<br />
**3% of the World GDP<br />
**Of which 46% is only for the USA (10 times that of the nr2 (China))<br />
**Rising steadily at the rate of 6% per year.<br />
Sources: [http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending Global Issues], [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm Global Security]<br />
*Estimated arm contraband budget worldwide: XXXX<br />
**It seems there are no available figures, neither in $ nor in volume.<br />
**An high availability of guns on a black market is likely to tip political protest into violence.<br />
***Violent protest seem to not work very well. Non violent protest is more likely to lead to change.<br />
**Reducing the availability of weapons is likely to promote social change, in addition to reducing war consequences. (Move to "solutions")<br />
<br />
====Crime====<br />
<br />
====Cultural violence====<br />
=====On women=====<br />
=====On kids=====<br />
<br />
===Inequalities===<br />
*Racial<br />
*Gender<br />
*Social<br />
<br />
===Overpopulation===<br />
**2010 growth rate: 1.2%, steadily losing 0.03 points every year<br />
**Leads to a 2050 peak of 9,200M people followed by a decline (prospect likely to change).<br />
====Carrying capacity of the Earth====<br />
Current: 5,100M humans reducing steadily (as developing countries are developing and consume more per capita).<br />
<br />
Arable land available on Earth: 10 to 20% of exposed surface:<br />
CIA factbook: 15M sq km<br />
Webster: 31M sq km<br />
Irrigated: 2,7M sq km [http://www.theglobaleducationproject.org source] (also CIA factbook)<br />
<br />
***Max: XXXX (optimizing production, limiting consumption)<br />
***Max with current cultivated land: XXXX<br />
XX% of arable land in under intensive farming, XX% in organic farming, XX% in extensive farming.<br />
<br />
Is food the limiting factor? Is in not water? Or energy?<br />
:It could be something as unimportant as lithium. If one ingredient goes missing, many recipes will be unavailable.<br />
<br />
70% of drinking water goes to irrigation.<br />
<br />
===Discrimination===<br />
Globalisation allow for strong mixing of populations. Cultures are confronted to each other more and more.<br />
<br />
===Ecology===<br />
*Fossil fuel is running out<br />
*Biodiversity is running out<br />
*Desertification<br />
*Climate change<br />
*Possible rise of the sea level<br />
*Few recycling chains are available<br />
*The planet will be handed over to the next generation in a worse state<br />
<br />
==Causes of problems==<br />
Do not try to make one cause correspond to one problem. War creates violence AND famines for example. Stick to what is clearly causing ''problems'' globally.<br />
<br />
Let's also concentrate of causes that can be fixed at an acceptable cost.<br />
<br />
Please post your name if you're criticizing an entry.<br />
<br />
===Market economy===<br />
*Consumer side: Consumption society : Material possessions as a way to happiness is causing society to produce non-sustainable quantities.<br />
*Producer side: Cutting costs at all price / Worker exploitation / Creation of artificial needs in consumers<br />
===Representative democracy===<br />
*Elections: Need to please the people to govern.<br />
*Easy for well organized interest groups to create lobbies<br />
*Short mandates = Priority given to short term objectives<br />
===Inconsistent financial system===<br />
*The more complex a system, the more exploitable.<br />
*Easy to escape regulation through financial havens<br />
*Lack of transparency<br />
**Lets the same financial entity be sold multiple times.<br />
**Makes it difficult to check the solvency of a financial institution.<br />
*Increasing automation that increases the risk of catastrophic runaway.<br />
===Media, race for attention===<br />
*Misinformation of the consumer<br />
*Exageration of problems<br />
*Sensationalism<br />
*Combined with representative democracy, a great power is in the hands of private interests.<br />
===Corruption===<br />
*Power corrupts humans<br />
*Greed corrupts humans<br />
*Deciders are humans<br />
===Broken education system===<br />
*Clueless parents, debilitating education<br />
*Schools inefficient or elitist<br />
*Children are easy to manipulate / harness<br />
<br />
==Goal==<br />
<br />
Whatever you suggest must be DOABLE. In less than a year if possible.<br />
<br />
For anything that can't be done in one year, please tag with LT for Long Term.<br />
<br />
===Economics===<br />
*Economical system that integrates the social and ecological factors '''in the essence'''. <br />
*Advertising as "information about a product you might not have heard of" rather than "creation of needs".<br />
*Put the consumer and the producer in the same boat (because that's where they are).<br />
====Growth====<br />
*An economic growth based on the capability of a sector to grow sustainably.<br />
<br />
===Education===<br />
*Relevant<br />
**Localized<br />
**Globalist<br />
*Efficient<br />
*Egalitarian, equalizing<br />
*For all, around the world<br />
<br />
===politics===<br />
*Administration system optimized for longterm objectives.<br />
*Maximised and optimized fragmentation of political power.<br />
<br />
===Cultural identity===<br />
*Each culture has a part of openness and a part of seclusion. Emphasize openness.<br />
<br />
===Media===<br />
*Controled by the citizens<br />
<br />
===Localization===<br />
Production of goods geographically close to their consumption.<br />
<br />
===War===<br />
*End country to country wars<br />
*End civil war<br />
*End weapon contraband<br />
<br />
===Ecology===<br />
*Stop the destruction of ecosystems.<br />
*Reconstruct the destroyed ecosystems.<br />
<br />
==How to get there==<br />
<br />
===Finance===<br />
*Modernize the concept of money-as-trust.<br />
**Base the trust-value on actual personal trust.<br />
*Pass financial legislation at the global level. UN international law.<br />
**Regulate or suppress exchanges between the UN economical space and the rogue economies.<br />
<br />
===Localization===<br />
*Global carbon-tax based on the transportation of goods, reinvested in the destination region.<br />
<br />
===War===<br />
*Indexind military budget on other administrative budgets.<br />
====Weapon contraband====<br />
*Produced in licensed factories: have a UN referer in every one of them to ensure the traceability of each gun.<br />
*Produced in unauthorized factories: seek and destroy<br />
====UN reform====<br />
*Suppression of "permanent member" status at the security council.<br />
*Index the UN weight of each country to the Human Footprint Index.<br />
*Set up a UN standing army.<br />
*Set up a UN terraforming unit (see mandate bellow).<br />
<br />
===Terraforming===<br />
*Win back on the desert.<br />
*Replant the most critical forests.<br />
*Reconstruct the habitat of the most endangered species.<br />
<br />
===Culture===<br />
*Promote vegetarianism<br />
<br />
==Links==<br />
* http://fix-the-world.wikispaces.com/</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Fixing_the_world&diff=4284Fixing the world2010-12-20T13:14:11Z<p>Sitarane: /* Goal */</p>
<hr />
<div>The goal of this page is to give a global perspective on the problems of the world and the way to fixing them, if can be singled out.<br />
<br />
The problems it's looking to identify must clearly be identified as bad. "hunger, violence..." and similar.<br />
<br />
''Note: try to stick to Millions when quoting figures regarding to worldwide population or budget, in order to keep a better perspective. 265 millions has the trick to unconsciously seem higher than 1.2 billions''<br />
<br />
==List of the problems (please categorize if relevant)==<br />
<br />
===Health===<br />
====Hunger====<br />
*Basal metabolism is between 4600 and 9200 kJ a day depending on stature, age and gender.<br />
**Physically active people must be able to spend a minimum of 12,500 kJ a day.<br />
Source: wikipedia<br />
:Most people around the world require daily physical exertion.<br />
*1000M people are considered malnourished<br />
*36M people die of malnutrition every year (58% of the yearly death toll)<br />
**Of which 5M children, more than half the child-death toll.<br />
Source: Wikipedia<br />
:Children have higher basal metabolism and are more subject to die from lack of calories.<br />
:Note that the causes of death for children must be somewhat dramatic. They can't die of natural causes.<br />
*884M 13% people have no access to a protected source of water<br />
:Source: Wikipedia<br />
**Links to hygiene and epidemies<br />
====Drugs====<br />
====Healthcare====<br />
*XXX people have no health insurrance. XXX have partial health insurance.<br />
*Due to low income, XXX people are not in the position of getting treatment for a grave illness or accident.<br />
====Diseases====<br />
*Epidemic prevention is bellow current standard for XXX people<br />
*Epidemics are not worried about in regions where XXX people live.<br />
<br />
===Violence===<br />
====War====<br />
Megadeath war like WW1 and 2 seem to be out of fashion. The most deadly recent conflict (Congo) has killed 4M over the course of 6 years (98-04), which is way bellow the rate achieved mid-century in Europe.<br />
*Sudden death from war does not represent a significant death toll.<br />
:Source: Heavy web research. Put numbers if you can.<br />
*XXX people are directly affected by a war in the past 10 years<br />
:Can someone dig that number?<br />
*Amount spend yearly worldwide on military: $1,500,000M ($1,5T)<br />
**3% of the World GDP<br />
**Of which 46% is only for the USA (10 times that of the nr2 (China))<br />
**Rising steadily at the rate of 6% per year.<br />
Sources: [http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending Global Issues], [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm Global Security]<br />
*Estimated arm contraband budget worldwide: XXXX<br />
**It seems there are no available figures, neither in $ nor in volume.<br />
**An high availability of guns on a black market is likely to tip political protest into violence.<br />
***Violent protest seem to not work very well. Non violent protest is more likely to lead to change.<br />
**Reducing the availability of weapons is likely to promote social change, in addition to reducing war consequences. (Move to "solutions")<br />
<br />
====Crime====<br />
<br />
====Cultural violence====<br />
=====On women=====<br />
=====On kids=====<br />
<br />
===Inequalities===<br />
*Racial<br />
*Gender<br />
*Social<br />
<br />
===Overpopulation===<br />
**2010 growth rate: 1.2%, steadily losing 0.03 points every year<br />
**Leads to a 2050 peak of 9,200M people followed by a decline (prospect likely to change).<br />
====Carrying capacity of the Earth====<br />
Current: 5,100M humans reducing steadily (as developing countries are developing and consume more per capita).<br />
<br />
Arable land available on Earth: 10 to 20% of exposed surface:<br />
CIA factbook: 15M sq km<br />
Webster: 31M sq km<br />
Irrigated: 2,7M sq km [http://www.theglobaleducationproject.org source] (also CIA factbook)<br />
<br />
***Max: XXXX (optimizing production, limiting consumption)<br />
***Max with current cultivated land: XXXX<br />
XX% of arable land in under intensive farming, XX% in organic farming, XX% in extensive farming.<br />
<br />
Is food the limiting factor? Is in not water? Or energy?<br />
:It could be something as unimportant as lithium. If one ingredient goes missing, many recipes will be unavailable.<br />
<br />
70% of drinking water goes to irrigation.<br />
<br />
===Discrimination===<br />
Globalisation allow for strong mixing of populations. Cultures are confronted to each other more and more.<br />
<br />
===Ecology===<br />
*Fossil fuel is running out<br />
*Biodiversity is running out<br />
*Desertification<br />
*Climate change<br />
*Possible rise of the sea level<br />
*Few recycling chains are available<br />
*The planet will be handed over to the next generation in a worse state<br />
<br />
==Causes of problems==<br />
Do not try to make one cause correspond to one problem. War creates violence AND famines for example. Stick to what is clearly causing ''problems'' globally.<br />
<br />
Let's also concentrate of causes that can be fixed at an acceptable cost.<br />
<br />
Please post your name if you're criticizing an entry.<br />
<br />
===Market economy===<br />
*Consumer side: Consumption society : Material possessions as a way to happiness is causing society to produce non-sustainable quantities.<br />
*Producer side: Cutting costs at all price / Worker exploitation / Creation of artificial needs in consumers<br />
===Representative democracy===<br />
*Elections: Need to please the people to govern.<br />
*Easy for well organized interest groups to create lobbies<br />
*Short mandates = Priority given to short term objectives<br />
===Inconsistent financial system===<br />
*The more complex a system, the more exploitable.<br />
*Easy to escape regulation through financial havens<br />
*Lack of transparency<br />
**Lets the same financial entity be sold multiple times.<br />
**Makes it difficult to check the solvency of a financial institution.<br />
*Increasing automation that increases the risk of catastrophic runaway.<br />
===Media, race for attention===<br />
*Misinformation of the consumer<br />
*Exageration of problems<br />
*Sensationalism<br />
*Combined with representative democracy, a great power is in the hands of private interests.<br />
===Corruption===<br />
*Power corrupts humans<br />
*Greed corrupts humans<br />
*Deciders are humans<br />
===Broken education system===<br />
*Clueless parents, debilitating education<br />
*Schools inefficient or elitist<br />
*Children are easy to manipulate / harness<br />
<br />
==Goal==<br />
<br />
Whatever you suggest must be DOABLE. In less than a year if possible.<br />
<br />
For anything that can't be done in one year, please tag with LT for Long Term.<br />
<br />
===Economics===<br />
*Economical system that integrates the social and ecological factors '''in the essence'''. <br />
*Advertising as "information about a product you might not have heard of" rather than "creation of needs".<br />
*Put the consumer and the producer in the same boat (because that's where they are).<br />
====Growth====<br />
*An economic growth based on the capability of a sector to grow sustainably.<br />
<br />
===Education===<br />
*Relevant<br />
**Localized<br />
**Globalist<br />
*Efficient<br />
*Egalitarian, equalizing<br />
*For all, around the world<br />
<br />
===politics===<br />
*Administration system optimized for longterm objectives.<br />
*Maximised and optimized fragmentation of political power.<br />
<br />
===Cultural identity===<br />
*Each culture has a part of openness and a part of seclusion. Emphasize openness.<br />
<br />
===Media===<br />
*Controled by the citizens<br />
<br />
===Localization===<br />
Production of goods geographically close to their consumption.<br />
<br />
<br />
Guerre<br />
Plafonnement des budgets militaire, indexation sur les autres budgets ministériels.<br />
Renforcement de l'ONU, suppression du statut de membre permanent, armée régulière.<br />
Terraformation<br />
Reconstitution des sols détruits<br />
Inverser la désertification. Gagner sur le désert<br />
<br />
==How to get there==<br />
<br />
*Finance<br />
**Modernize the concept of money-as-trust.<br />
***Base the trust-value on actual personal trust.<br />
**Pass financial legislation at the global level. UN international law.<br />
***Regulate or suppress exchanges between the UN economical space and the rogue economies.<br />
<br />
==Links==<br />
* http://fix-the-world.wikispaces.com/</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Fixing_the_world&diff=4283Fixing the world2010-12-20T13:10:08Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
<hr />
<div>The goal of this page is to give a global perspective on the problems of the world and the way to fixing them, if can be singled out.<br />
<br />
The problems it's looking to identify must clearly be identified as bad. "hunger, violence..." and similar.<br />
<br />
''Note: try to stick to Millions when quoting figures regarding to worldwide population or budget, in order to keep a better perspective. 265 millions has the trick to unconsciously seem higher than 1.2 billions''<br />
<br />
==List of the problems (please categorize if relevant)==<br />
<br />
===Health===<br />
====Hunger====<br />
*Basal metabolism is between 4600 and 9200 kJ a day depending on stature, age and gender.<br />
**Physically active people must be able to spend a minimum of 12,500 kJ a day.<br />
Source: wikipedia<br />
:Most people around the world require daily physical exertion.<br />
*1000M people are considered malnourished<br />
*36M people die of malnutrition every year (58% of the yearly death toll)<br />
**Of which 5M children, more than half the child-death toll.<br />
Source: Wikipedia<br />
:Children have higher basal metabolism and are more subject to die from lack of calories.<br />
:Note that the causes of death for children must be somewhat dramatic. They can't die of natural causes.<br />
*884M 13% people have no access to a protected source of water<br />
:Source: Wikipedia<br />
**Links to hygiene and epidemies<br />
====Drugs====<br />
====Healthcare====<br />
*XXX people have no health insurrance. XXX have partial health insurance.<br />
*Due to low income, XXX people are not in the position of getting treatment for a grave illness or accident.<br />
====Diseases====<br />
*Epidemic prevention is bellow current standard for XXX people<br />
*Epidemics are not worried about in regions where XXX people live.<br />
<br />
===Violence===<br />
====War====<br />
Megadeath war like WW1 and 2 seem to be out of fashion. The most deadly recent conflict (Congo) has killed 4M over the course of 6 years (98-04), which is way bellow the rate achieved mid-century in Europe.<br />
*Sudden death from war does not represent a significant death toll.<br />
:Source: Heavy web research. Put numbers if you can.<br />
*XXX people are directly affected by a war in the past 10 years<br />
:Can someone dig that number?<br />
*Amount spend yearly worldwide on military: $1,500,000M ($1,5T)<br />
**3% of the World GDP<br />
**Of which 46% is only for the USA (10 times that of the nr2 (China))<br />
**Rising steadily at the rate of 6% per year.<br />
Sources: [http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending Global Issues], [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm Global Security]<br />
*Estimated arm contraband budget worldwide: XXXX<br />
**It seems there are no available figures, neither in $ nor in volume.<br />
**An high availability of guns on a black market is likely to tip political protest into violence.<br />
***Violent protest seem to not work very well. Non violent protest is more likely to lead to change.<br />
**Reducing the availability of weapons is likely to promote social change, in addition to reducing war consequences. (Move to "solutions")<br />
<br />
====Crime====<br />
<br />
====Cultural violence====<br />
=====On women=====<br />
=====On kids=====<br />
<br />
===Inequalities===<br />
*Racial<br />
*Gender<br />
*Social<br />
<br />
===Overpopulation===<br />
**2010 growth rate: 1.2%, steadily losing 0.03 points every year<br />
**Leads to a 2050 peak of 9,200M people followed by a decline (prospect likely to change).<br />
====Carrying capacity of the Earth====<br />
Current: 5,100M humans reducing steadily (as developing countries are developing and consume more per capita).<br />
<br />
Arable land available on Earth: 10 to 20% of exposed surface:<br />
CIA factbook: 15M sq km<br />
Webster: 31M sq km<br />
Irrigated: 2,7M sq km [http://www.theglobaleducationproject.org source] (also CIA factbook)<br />
<br />
***Max: XXXX (optimizing production, limiting consumption)<br />
***Max with current cultivated land: XXXX<br />
XX% of arable land in under intensive farming, XX% in organic farming, XX% in extensive farming.<br />
<br />
Is food the limiting factor? Is in not water? Or energy?<br />
:It could be something as unimportant as lithium. If one ingredient goes missing, many recipes will be unavailable.<br />
<br />
70% of drinking water goes to irrigation.<br />
<br />
===Discrimination===<br />
Globalisation allow for strong mixing of populations. Cultures are confronted to each other more and more.<br />
<br />
===Ecology===<br />
*Fossil fuel is running out<br />
*Biodiversity is running out<br />
*Desertification<br />
*Climate change<br />
*Possible rise of the sea level<br />
*Few recycling chains are available<br />
*The planet will be handed over to the next generation in a worse state<br />
<br />
==Causes of problems==<br />
Do not try to make one cause correspond to one problem. War creates violence AND famines for example. Stick to what is clearly causing ''problems'' globally.<br />
<br />
Let's also concentrate of causes that can be fixed at an acceptable cost.<br />
<br />
Please post your name if you're criticizing an entry.<br />
<br />
===Market economy===<br />
*Consumer side: Consumption society : Material possessions as a way to happiness is causing society to produce non-sustainable quantities.<br />
*Producer side: Cutting costs at all price / Worker exploitation / Creation of artificial needs in consumers<br />
===Representative democracy===<br />
*Elections: Need to please the people to govern.<br />
*Easy for well organized interest groups to create lobbies<br />
*Short mandates = Priority given to short term objectives<br />
===Inconsistent financial system===<br />
*The more complex a system, the more exploitable.<br />
*Easy to escape regulation through financial havens<br />
*Lack of transparency<br />
**Lets the same financial entity be sold multiple times.<br />
**Makes it difficult to check the solvency of a financial institution.<br />
*Increasing automation that increases the risk of catastrophic runaway.<br />
===Media, race for attention===<br />
*Misinformation of the consumer<br />
*Exageration of problems<br />
*Sensationalism<br />
*Combined with representative democracy, a great power is in the hands of private interests.<br />
===Corruption===<br />
*Power corrupts humans<br />
*Greed corrupts humans<br />
*Deciders are humans<br />
===Broken education system===<br />
*Clueless parents, debilitating education<br />
*Schools inefficient or elitist<br />
*Children are easy to manipulate / harness<br />
<br />
==Goal==<br />
<br />
Whatever you suggest must be DOABLE. In less than a year if possible.<br />
<br />
For anything that can't be done in one year, please tag with LT for Long Term.<br />
<br />
===Economics===<br />
*Economical system that integrates the social and ecological factors '''in the essence'''. <br />
*Advertising as "information about a product you might not have heard of" rather than "creation of needs".<br />
*Put the consumer and the producer in the same boat (because that's where they are).<br />
====Growth====<br />
*An economic growth based on the capability of a sector to grow sustainably.<br />
<br />
===Education===<br />
*Relevant<br />
**Localized<br />
**Globalist<br />
*Efficient<br />
*Egalitarian, equalizing<br />
*For all, around the world<br />
<br />
===politics===<br />
*Administration system optimized for longterm objectives.<br />
Forme de gouvernement conçue pour des objectifs à long terme, rationnelle et efficace<br />
Fragmenter le pouvoir autant que possible (et de manière efficace)<br />
Identité culturelle ouverte<br />
Chaque culture contient une part d'ouverture et une part de renfermement. Mettre l'emphase sur l'ouverture<br />
Médias<br />
Mettre la gestion des médias aux mains des associations de citoyens.<br />
Financement par donations / taxation (à voir)<br />
Localisation<br />
Taxe de l'équivalent-carbone réinjectée dans l'économie de la région de destination<br />
Guerre<br />
Plafonnement des budgets militaire, indexation sur les autres budgets ministériels.<br />
Renforcement de l'ONU, suppression du statut de membre permanent, armée régulière.<br />
Terraformation<br />
Reconstitution des sols détruits<br />
Inverser la désertification. Gagner sur le désert<br />
<br />
==How to get there==<br />
<br />
*Finance<br />
**Modernize the concept of money-as-trust.<br />
***Base the trust-value on actual personal trust.<br />
**Pass financial legislation at the global level. UN international law.<br />
***Regulate or suppress exchanges between the UN economical space and the rogue economies.<br />
<br />
==Links==<br />
* http://fix-the-world.wikispaces.com/</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Fixing_the_world&diff=4093Fixing the world2010-11-08T19:28:52Z<p>Sitarane: /* Carrying capacity of the Earth */</p>
<hr />
<div>The goal of this page is to give a global perspective on the problems of the world and the way to fixing them, if can be singled out.<br />
<br />
The problems it's looking to identify must clearly be identified as bad. "hunger, violence..." and similar.<br />
<br />
''Note: try to stick to Millions when quoting figures regarding to worldwide population or budget, in order to keep a better perspective. 265 millions has the trick to unconsciously seem higher than 1.2 billions''<br />
<br />
==List of the problems (please categorize if relevant)==<br />
<br />
===Health===<br />
====Hunger====<br />
*Basal metabolism is between 4600 and 9200 kJ a day depending on stature, age and gender.<br />
**Physically active people must be able to spend a minimum of 12,500 kJ a day.<br />
Source: wikipedia<br />
:Most people around the world require daily physical exertion.<br />
*1000M people are considered malnourished<br />
*36M people die of malnutrition every year (58% of the yearly death toll)<br />
**Of which 5M children, more than half the child-death toll.<br />
Source: Wikipedia<br />
:Children have higher basal metabolism and are more subject to die from lack of calories.<br />
:Note that the causes of death for children must be somewhat dramatic. They can't die of natural causes.<br />
*884M 13% people have no access to a protected source of water<br />
:Source: Wikipedia<br />
**Links to hygiene and epidemies<br />
====Drugs====<br />
====Healthcare====<br />
*XXX people have no health insurrance. XXX have partial health insurance.<br />
*Due to low income, XXX people are not in the position of getting treatment for a grave illness or accident.<br />
====Diseases====<br />
*Epidemic prevention is bellow current standard for XXX people<br />
*Epidemics are not worried about in regions where XXX people live.<br />
<br />
===War===<br />
Megadeath war like WW1 and 2 seem to be out of fashion. The most deadly recent conflict (Congo) has killed 4M over the course of 6 years (98-04), which is way bellow the rate achieved mid-century in Europe.<br />
*Sudden death from war does not represent a significant death toll.<br />
:Source: Heavy web research. Put numbers if you can.<br />
*XXX people are directly affected by a war in the past 10 years<br />
:Can someone dig that number?<br />
*Amount spend yearly worldwide on military: $1,500,000M ($1,5T)<br />
**3% of the World GDP<br />
**Of which 46% is only for the USA (10 times that of the nr2 (China))<br />
**Rising steadily at the rate of 6% per year.<br />
Sources: [http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending Global Issues], [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm Global Security]<br />
*Estimated arm contraband budget worldwide: XXXX<br />
**It seems there are no available figures, neither in $ nor in volume.<br />
**An high availability of guns on a black market is likely to tip political protest into violence.<br />
***Violent protest seem to not work very well. Non violent protest is more likely to lead to change.<br />
**Reducing the availability of weapons is likely to promote social change, in addition to reducing war consequences. (Move to "solutions")<br />
<br />
===Inequalities===<br />
*Racial<br />
*Gender<br />
*Social<br />
<br />
===Overpopulation===<br />
**2010 growth rate: 1.2%, steadily losing 0.03 points every year<br />
**Leads to a 2050 peak of 9,200M people followed by a decline (prospect likely to change).<br />
====Carrying capacity of the Earth====<br />
Current: 5,100M reducing steadily (as developing countries are developing and consume more per capita).<br />
<br />
Arable land available on Earth: 10 to 20% of exposed surface:<br />
CIA factbook: 15M sq km<br />
Webster: 31M sq km<br />
Irrigated: 2,7M sq km [http://www.theglobaleducationproject.org source] (also CIA factbook)<br />
<br />
***Max: XXXX (optimizing production, limiting consumption)<br />
***Max with current cultivated land: XXXX<br />
XX% of arable land in under intensive farming, XX% in organic farming, XX% in extensive farming.<br />
<br />
Is food the limiting factor? Is in not water? Or energy?<br />
:It could be something as unimportant as lithium. If one ingredient goes missing, many recipes will be unavailable.<br />
<br />
===Discrimination===<br />
Globalisation allow for strong mixing of populations. Cultures are confronted to each other more and more.<br />
<br />
===Ecology===<br />
*Fossil fuel is running out<br />
*Biodiversity is running out<br />
*Desertification<br />
*Climate change<br />
*Possible rise of the sea level<br />
*Few recycling chains are available<br />
*The planet will be handed over to the next generation in a worse state<br />
<br />
==Causes of problems==<br />
Do not try to make one cause correspond to one problem. War creates violence AND famines for example. Stick to what is clearly causing ''problems'' globally.<br />
<br />
Let's also concentrate of causes that can be fixed at an acceptable cost.<br />
<br />
Please post your name if you're criticizing an entry.<br />
<br />
*Systemic flaws<br />
**Debt-driven monetary system<br />
***Over-consumption<br />
****Cause: excessive production.<br />
****''Disagree. Excessive production is fueled by over-consumption, which is fueled in turn by good marketing, that exploits a human-nature flaw. [[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 13:59, 8 November 2010 (UTC)''<br />
***Ability to make more money just by having money (widening wealth gap)<br />
***Etc<br />
* Human nature<br />
**Corruption<br />
**Greed<br />
**Ignorance<br />
<br />
==Possible solutions==<br />
Please wait for "cause of problems" to be thick enough before submitting here</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Fixing_the_world&diff=4092Fixing the world2010-11-08T19:16:25Z<p>Sitarane: /* Overpopulation */</p>
<hr />
<div>The goal of this page is to give a global perspective on the problems of the world and the way to fixing them, if can be singled out.<br />
<br />
The problems it's looking to identify must clearly be identified as bad. "hunger, violence..." and similar.<br />
<br />
''Note: try to stick to Millions when quoting figures regarding to worldwide population or budget, in order to keep a better perspective. 265 millions has the trick to unconsciously seem higher than 1.2 billions''<br />
<br />
==List of the problems (please categorize if relevant)==<br />
<br />
===Health===<br />
====Hunger====<br />
*Basal metabolism is between 4600 and 9200 kJ a day depending on stature, age and gender.<br />
**Physically active people must be able to spend a minimum of 12,500 kJ a day.<br />
Source: wikipedia<br />
:Most people around the world require daily physical exertion.<br />
*1000M people are considered malnourished<br />
*36M people die of malnutrition every year (58% of the yearly death toll)<br />
**Of which 5M children, more than half the child-death toll.<br />
Source: Wikipedia<br />
:Children have higher basal metabolism and are more subject to die from lack of calories.<br />
:Note that the causes of death for children must be somewhat dramatic. They can't die of natural causes.<br />
*884M 13% people have no access to a protected source of water<br />
:Source: Wikipedia<br />
**Links to hygiene and epidemies<br />
====Drugs====<br />
====Healthcare====<br />
*XXX people have no health insurrance. XXX have partial health insurance.<br />
*Due to low income, XXX people are not in the position of getting treatment for a grave illness or accident.<br />
====Diseases====<br />
*Epidemic prevention is bellow current standard for XXX people<br />
*Epidemics are not worried about in regions where XXX people live.<br />
<br />
===War===<br />
Megadeath war like WW1 and 2 seem to be out of fashion. The most deadly recent conflict (Congo) has killed 4M over the course of 6 years (98-04), which is way bellow the rate achieved mid-century in Europe.<br />
*Sudden death from war does not represent a significant death toll.<br />
:Source: Heavy web research. Put numbers if you can.<br />
*XXX people are directly affected by a war in the past 10 years<br />
:Can someone dig that number?<br />
*Amount spend yearly worldwide on military: $1,500,000M ($1,5T)<br />
**3% of the World GDP<br />
**Of which 46% is only for the USA (10 times that of the nr2 (China))<br />
**Rising steadily at the rate of 6% per year.<br />
Sources: [http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending Global Issues], [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm Global Security]<br />
*Estimated arm contraband budget worldwide: XXXX<br />
**It seems there are no available figures, neither in $ nor in volume.<br />
**An high availability of guns on a black market is likely to tip political protest into violence.<br />
***Violent protest seem to not work very well. Non violent protest is more likely to lead to change.<br />
**Reducing the availability of weapons is likely to promote social change, in addition to reducing war consequences. (Move to "solutions")<br />
<br />
===Inequalities===<br />
*Racial<br />
*Gender<br />
*Social<br />
<br />
===Overpopulation===<br />
**2010 growth rate: 1.2%, steadily losing 0.03 points every year<br />
**Leads to a 2050 peak of 9,200M people followed by a decline (prospect likely to change).<br />
====Carrying capacity of the Earth====<br />
Current: 5,100M reducing steadily (as developing countries are developing and consume more per capita).<br />
<br />
Arable land available on Earth: 10 to 20% of exposed surface:<br />
CIA factbook: 15M sq km<br />
Webster: 31M sq km<br />
Irrigated: 2,7M sq km [http://www.theglobaleducationproject.org source] (also CIA factbook)<br />
<br />
***Max: XXXX (optimizing production, limiting consumption)<br />
***Max with current cultivated land: XXXX<br />
XX% of arable land in under intensive farming, XX% in organic farming, XX% in extensive farming.<br />
<br />
Is food the limiting factor? Is in not water? Or energy?<br />
<br />
===Discrimination===<br />
Globalisation allow for strong mixing of populations. Cultures are confronted to each other more and more.<br />
<br />
===Ecology===<br />
*Fossil fuel is running out<br />
*Biodiversity is running out<br />
*Desertification<br />
*Climate change<br />
*Possible rise of the sea level<br />
*Few recycling chains are available<br />
*The planet will be handed over to the next generation in a worse state<br />
<br />
==Causes of problems==<br />
Do not try to make one cause correspond to one problem. War creates violence AND famines for example. Stick to what is clearly causing ''problems'' globally.<br />
<br />
Let's also concentrate of causes that can be fixed at an acceptable cost.<br />
<br />
Please post your name if you're criticizing an entry.<br />
<br />
*Systemic flaws<br />
**Debt-driven monetary system<br />
***Over-consumption<br />
****Cause: excessive production.<br />
****''Disagree. Excessive production is fueled by over-consumption, which is fueled in turn by good marketing, that exploits a human-nature flaw. [[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 13:59, 8 November 2010 (UTC)''<br />
***Ability to make more money just by having money (widening wealth gap)<br />
***Etc<br />
* Human nature<br />
**Corruption<br />
**Greed<br />
**Ignorance<br />
<br />
==Possible solutions==<br />
Please wait for "cause of problems" to be thick enough before submitting here</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Fixing_the_world&diff=4091Fixing the world2010-11-08T17:25:17Z<p>Sitarane: /* Epidemics management */</p>
<hr />
<div>The goal of this page is to give a global perspective on the problems of the world and the way to fixing them, if can be singled out.<br />
<br />
The problems it's looking to identify must clearly be identified as bad. "hunger, violence..." and similar.<br />
<br />
''Note: try to stick to Millions when quoting figures regarding to worldwide population or budget, in order to keep a better perspective. 265 millions has the trick to unconsciously seem higher than 1.2 billions''<br />
<br />
==List of the problems (please categorize if relevant)==<br />
<br />
===Health===<br />
====Hunger====<br />
*Basal metabolism is between 4600 and 9200 kJ a day depending on stature, age and gender.<br />
**Physically active people must be able to spend a minimum of 12,500 kJ a day.<br />
Source: wikipedia<br />
:Most people around the world require daily physical exertion.<br />
*1000M people are considered malnourished<br />
*36M people die of malnutrition every year (58% of the yearly death toll)<br />
**Of which 5M children, more than half the child-death toll.<br />
Source: Wikipedia<br />
:Children have higher basal metabolism and are more subject to die from lack of calories.<br />
:Note that the causes of death for children must be somewhat dramatic. They can't die of natural causes.<br />
*884M 13% people have no access to a protected source of water<br />
:Source: Wikipedia<br />
**Links to hygiene and epidemies<br />
====Drugs====<br />
====Healthcare====<br />
*XXX people have no health insurrance. XXX have partial health insurance.<br />
*Due to low income, XXX people are not in the position of getting treatment for a grave illness or accident.<br />
====Diseases====<br />
*Epidemic prevention is bellow current standard for XXX people<br />
*Epidemics are not worried about in regions where XXX people live.<br />
<br />
===War===<br />
Megadeath war like WW1 and 2 seem to be out of fashion. The most deadly recent conflict (Congo) has killed 4M over the course of 6 years (98-04), which is way bellow the rate achieved mid-century in Europe.<br />
*Sudden death from war does not represent a significant death toll.<br />
:Source: Heavy web research. Put numbers if you can.<br />
*XXX people are directly affected by a war in the past 10 years<br />
:Can someone dig that number?<br />
*Amount spend yearly worldwide on military: $1,500,000M ($1,5T)<br />
**3% of the World GDP<br />
**Of which 46% is only for the USA (10 times that of the nr2 (China))<br />
**Rising steadily at the rate of 6% per year.<br />
Sources: [http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending Global Issues], [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm Global Security]<br />
*Estimated arm contraband budget worldwide: XXXX<br />
**It seems there are no available figures, neither in $ nor in volume.<br />
**An high availability of guns on a black market is likely to tip political protest into violence.<br />
***Violent protest seem to not work very well. Non violent protest is more likely to lead to change.<br />
**Reducing the availability of weapons is likely to promote social change, in addition to reducing war consequences. (Move to "solutions")<br />
<br />
===Inequalities===<br />
*Racial<br />
*Gender<br />
*Social<br />
<br />
===Overpopulation===<br />
**2010 growth rate: 1.2%, steadily losing 0.03 points every year<br />
**Leads to a 2050 peak of 9,200M people followed by a decline (prospect likely to change).<br />
**Carrying capacity of the Earth<br />
***Current: 5,100M reducing steadily (as developing countries are developing and consume more per capita).<br />
***Max: XXXX (optimizing production, limiting consumption)<br />
***Max with current arable land: XXXX<br />
XX% of arable land in under intensive farming, XX% in organic farming, XX% in extensive farming.<br />
<br />
===Discrimination===<br />
Globalisation allow for strong mixing of populations. Cultures are confronted to each other more and more.<br />
<br />
===Ecology===<br />
*Fossil fuel is running out<br />
*Biodiversity is running out<br />
*Desertification<br />
*Climate change<br />
*Possible rise of the sea level<br />
*Few recycling chains are available<br />
*The planet will be handed over to the next generation in a worse state<br />
<br />
==Causes of problems==<br />
Do not try to make one cause correspond to one problem. War creates violence AND famines for example. Stick to what is clearly causing ''problems'' globally.<br />
<br />
Let's also concentrate of causes that can be fixed at an acceptable cost.<br />
<br />
Please post your name if you're criticizing an entry.<br />
<br />
*Systemic flaws<br />
**Debt-driven monetary system<br />
***Over-consumption<br />
****Cause: excessive production.<br />
****''Disagree. Excessive production is fueled by over-consumption, which is fueled in turn by good marketing, that exploits a human-nature flaw. [[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 13:59, 8 November 2010 (UTC)''<br />
***Ability to make more money just by having money (widening wealth gap)<br />
***Etc<br />
* Human nature<br />
**Corruption<br />
**Greed<br />
**Ignorance<br />
<br />
==Possible solutions==<br />
Please wait for "cause of problems" to be thick enough before submitting here</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Fixing_the_world&diff=4090Fixing the world2010-11-08T17:24:52Z<p>Sitarane: /* List of the problems (please categorize if relevant) */</p>
<hr />
<div>The goal of this page is to give a global perspective on the problems of the world and the way to fixing them, if can be singled out.<br />
<br />
The problems it's looking to identify must clearly be identified as bad. "hunger, violence..." and similar.<br />
<br />
''Note: try to stick to Millions when quoting figures regarding to worldwide population or budget, in order to keep a better perspective. 265 millions has the trick to unconsciously seem higher than 1.2 billions''<br />
<br />
==List of the problems (please categorize if relevant)==<br />
<br />
===Health===<br />
====Hunger====<br />
*Basal metabolism is between 4600 and 9200 kJ a day depending on stature, age and gender.<br />
**Physically active people must be able to spend a minimum of 12,500 kJ a day.<br />
Source: wikipedia<br />
:Most people around the world require daily physical exertion.<br />
*1000M people are considered malnourished<br />
*36M people die of malnutrition every year (58% of the yearly death toll)<br />
**Of which 5M children, more than half the child-death toll.<br />
Source: Wikipedia<br />
:Children have higher basal metabolism and are more subject to die from lack of calories.<br />
:Note that the causes of death for children must be somewhat dramatic. They can't die of natural causes.<br />
*884M 13% people have no access to a protected source of water<br />
:Source: Wikipedia<br />
**Links to hygiene and epidemies<br />
====Drugs====<br />
====Healthcare====<br />
*XXX people have no health insurrance. XXX have partial health insurance.<br />
*Due to low income, XXX people are not in the position of getting treatment for a grave illness or accident.<br />
====Epidemics management====<br />
*Epidemic prevention is bellow current standard for XXX people<br />
*Epidemics are not worried about in regions where XXX people live.<br />
===War===<br />
Megadeath war like WW1 and 2 seem to be out of fashion. The most deadly recent conflict (Congo) has killed 4M over the course of 6 years (98-04), which is way bellow the rate achieved mid-century in Europe.<br />
*Sudden death from war does not represent a significant death toll.<br />
:Source: Heavy web research. Put numbers if you can.<br />
*XXX people are directly affected by a war in the past 10 years<br />
:Can someone dig that number?<br />
*Amount spend yearly worldwide on military: $1,500,000M ($1,5T)<br />
**3% of the World GDP<br />
**Of which 46% is only for the USA (10 times that of the nr2 (China))<br />
**Rising steadily at the rate of 6% per year.<br />
Sources: [http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending Global Issues], [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm Global Security]<br />
*Estimated arm contraband budget worldwide: XXXX<br />
**It seems there are no available figures, neither in $ nor in volume.<br />
**An high availability of guns on a black market is likely to tip political protest into violence.<br />
***Violent protest seem to not work very well. Non violent protest is more likely to lead to change.<br />
**Reducing the availability of weapons is likely to promote social change, in addition to reducing war consequences. (Move to "solutions")<br />
<br />
===Inequalities===<br />
*Racial<br />
*Gender<br />
*Social<br />
<br />
===Overpopulation===<br />
**2010 growth rate: 1.2%, steadily losing 0.03 points every year<br />
**Leads to a 2050 peak of 9,200M people followed by a decline (prospect likely to change).<br />
**Carrying capacity of the Earth<br />
***Current: 5,100M reducing steadily (as developing countries are developing and consume more per capita).<br />
***Max: XXXX (optimizing production, limiting consumption)<br />
***Max with current arable land: XXXX<br />
XX% of arable land in under intensive farming, XX% in organic farming, XX% in extensive farming.<br />
<br />
===Discrimination===<br />
Globalisation allow for strong mixing of populations. Cultures are confronted to each other more and more.<br />
<br />
===Ecology===<br />
*Fossil fuel is running out<br />
*Biodiversity is running out<br />
*Desertification<br />
*Climate change<br />
*Possible rise of the sea level<br />
*Few recycling chains are available<br />
*The planet will be handed over to the next generation in a worse state<br />
<br />
==Causes of problems==<br />
Do not try to make one cause correspond to one problem. War creates violence AND famines for example. Stick to what is clearly causing ''problems'' globally.<br />
<br />
Let's also concentrate of causes that can be fixed at an acceptable cost.<br />
<br />
Please post your name if you're criticizing an entry.<br />
<br />
*Systemic flaws<br />
**Debt-driven monetary system<br />
***Over-consumption<br />
****Cause: excessive production.<br />
****''Disagree. Excessive production is fueled by over-consumption, which is fueled in turn by good marketing, that exploits a human-nature flaw. [[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 13:59, 8 November 2010 (UTC)''<br />
***Ability to make more money just by having money (widening wealth gap)<br />
***Etc<br />
* Human nature<br />
**Corruption<br />
**Greed<br />
**Ignorance<br />
<br />
==Possible solutions==<br />
Please wait for "cause of problems" to be thick enough before submitting here</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Fixing_the_world&diff=4089Fixing the world2010-11-08T14:00:08Z<p>Sitarane: /* Causes of problems */</p>
<hr />
<div>The goal of this page is to give a global perspective on the problems of the world and the way to fixing them, if can be singled out.<br />
<br />
The problems it's looking to identify must clearly be identified as bad. "hunger, violence..." and similar.<br />
<br />
''Note: try to stick to Millions when quoting figures regarding to worldwide population or budget, in order to keep a better perspective. 265 millions has the trick to unconsciously seem higher than 1.2 billions''<br />
<br />
==List of the problems (please categorize if relevant)==<br />
<br />
===Hunger===<br />
*Basal metabolism is between 4600 and 9200 kJ a day depending on stature, age and gender.<br />
**Physically active people must be able to spend a minimum of 12,500 kJ a day.<br />
Source: wikipedia<br />
:Most people around the world require daily physical exertion.<br />
*1000M people are considered malnourished<br />
*36M people die of malnutrition every year (58% of the yearly death toll)<br />
**Of which 5M children, more than half the child-death toll.<br />
Source: Wikipedia<br />
:Children have higher basal metabolism and are more subject to die from lack of calories.<br />
:Note that the causes of death for children must be somewhat dramatic. They can't die of natural causes.<br />
*884M 13% people have no access to a protected source of water<br />
:Source: Wikipedia<br />
**Links to hygiene and epidemies<br />
===War===<br />
Megadeath war like WW1 and 2 seem to be out of fashion. The most deadly recent conflict (Congo) has killed 4M over the course of 6 years (98-04), which is way bellow the rate achieved mid-century in Europe.<br />
*Sudden death from war does not represent a significant death toll.<br />
:Source: Heavy web research. Put numbers if you can.<br />
*XXX people are directly affected by a war in the past 10 years<br />
:Can someone dig that number?<br />
*Amount spend yearly worldwide on military: $1,500,000M ($1,5T)<br />
**3% of the World GDP<br />
**Of which 46% is only for the USA (10 times that of the nr2 (China))<br />
**Rising steadily at the rate of 6% per year.<br />
Sources: [http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending Global Issues], [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm Global Security]<br />
*Estimated arm contraband budget worldwide: XXXX<br />
**It seems there are no available figures, neither in $ nor in volume.<br />
**An high availability of guns on a black market is likely to tip political protest into violence.<br />
***Violent protest seem to not work very well. Non violent protest is more likely to lead to change.<br />
**Reducing the availability of weapons is likely to promote social change, in addition to reducing war consequences. (Move to "solutions")<br />
<br />
===Inequalities===<br />
*Racial<br />
*Gender<br />
*Social<br />
*Health<br />
**XXX people have no health insurrance. XXX have partial health insurance.<br />
**Due to low income, XXX people are not in the position of getting treatment for a grave illness or accident.<br />
**Epidemic prevention is bellow current standard for XXX people<br />
**Epidemics are not worried about in regions where XXX people live.<br />
<br />
===Malnutrition===<br />
*Lethal drugs<br />
*Overpopulation<br />
**2010 growth rate: 1.2%, steadily losing 0.03 points every year<br />
**Leads to a 2050 peak of 9,200M people followed by a decline (prospect likely to change).<br />
**Carrying capacity of the Earth<br />
***Current: 5,100M reducing steadily (as developing countries are developing and consume more per capita).<br />
***Max: XXXX (optimizing production, limiting consumption)<br />
***Max with current arable land: XXXX<br />
XX% of arable land in under intensive farming, XX% in organic farming, XX% in extensive farming.<br />
<br />
===Discrimination===<br />
Globalisation allow for strong mixing of populations. Cultures are confronted to each other more and more.<br />
<br />
===Ecology===<br />
*Fossil fuel is running out<br />
*Biodiversity is running out<br />
*Desertification<br />
*Climate change<br />
*Possible rise of the sea level<br />
*Few recycling chains are available<br />
*The planet will be handed over to the next generation in a worse state<br />
<br />
==Causes of problems==<br />
Do not try to make one cause correspond to one problem. War creates violence AND famines for example. Stick to what is clearly causing ''problems'' globally.<br />
<br />
Let's also concentrate of causes that can be fixed at an acceptable cost.<br />
<br />
Please post your name if you're criticizing an entry.<br />
<br />
*Systemic flaws<br />
**Debt-driven monetary system<br />
***Over-consumption<br />
****Cause: excessive production.<br />
****''Disagree. Excessive production is fueled by over-consumption, which is fueled in turn by good marketing, that exploits a human-nature flaw. [[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 13:59, 8 November 2010 (UTC)''<br />
***Ability to make more money just by having money (widening wealth gap)<br />
***Etc<br />
* Human nature<br />
**Corruption<br />
**Greed<br />
**Ignorance<br />
<br />
==Possible solutions==<br />
Please wait for "cause of problems" to be thick enough before submitting here</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Fixing_the_world&diff=4088Fixing the world2010-11-08T13:59:37Z<p>Sitarane: /* Causes of problems */</p>
<hr />
<div>The goal of this page is to give a global perspective on the problems of the world and the way to fixing them, if can be singled out.<br />
<br />
The problems it's looking to identify must clearly be identified as bad. "hunger, violence..." and similar.<br />
<br />
''Note: try to stick to Millions when quoting figures regarding to worldwide population or budget, in order to keep a better perspective. 265 millions has the trick to unconsciously seem higher than 1.2 billions''<br />
<br />
==List of the problems (please categorize if relevant)==<br />
<br />
===Hunger===<br />
*Basal metabolism is between 4600 and 9200 kJ a day depending on stature, age and gender.<br />
**Physically active people must be able to spend a minimum of 12,500 kJ a day.<br />
Source: wikipedia<br />
:Most people around the world require daily physical exertion.<br />
*1000M people are considered malnourished<br />
*36M people die of malnutrition every year (58% of the yearly death toll)<br />
**Of which 5M children, more than half the child-death toll.<br />
Source: Wikipedia<br />
:Children have higher basal metabolism and are more subject to die from lack of calories.<br />
:Note that the causes of death for children must be somewhat dramatic. They can't die of natural causes.<br />
*884M 13% people have no access to a protected source of water<br />
:Source: Wikipedia<br />
**Links to hygiene and epidemies<br />
===War===<br />
Megadeath war like WW1 and 2 seem to be out of fashion. The most deadly recent conflict (Congo) has killed 4M over the course of 6 years (98-04), which is way bellow the rate achieved mid-century in Europe.<br />
*Sudden death from war does not represent a significant death toll.<br />
:Source: Heavy web research. Put numbers if you can.<br />
*XXX people are directly affected by a war in the past 10 years<br />
:Can someone dig that number?<br />
*Amount spend yearly worldwide on military: $1,500,000M ($1,5T)<br />
**3% of the World GDP<br />
**Of which 46% is only for the USA (10 times that of the nr2 (China))<br />
**Rising steadily at the rate of 6% per year.<br />
Sources: [http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending Global Issues], [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm Global Security]<br />
*Estimated arm contraband budget worldwide: XXXX<br />
**It seems there are no available figures, neither in $ nor in volume.<br />
**An high availability of guns on a black market is likely to tip political protest into violence.<br />
***Violent protest seem to not work very well. Non violent protest is more likely to lead to change.<br />
**Reducing the availability of weapons is likely to promote social change, in addition to reducing war consequences. (Move to "solutions")<br />
<br />
===Inequalities===<br />
*Racial<br />
*Gender<br />
*Social<br />
*Health<br />
**XXX people have no health insurrance. XXX have partial health insurance.<br />
**Due to low income, XXX people are not in the position of getting treatment for a grave illness or accident.<br />
**Epidemic prevention is bellow current standard for XXX people<br />
**Epidemics are not worried about in regions where XXX people live.<br />
<br />
===Malnutrition===<br />
*Lethal drugs<br />
*Overpopulation<br />
**2010 growth rate: 1.2%, steadily losing 0.03 points every year<br />
**Leads to a 2050 peak of 9,200M people followed by a decline (prospect likely to change).<br />
**Carrying capacity of the Earth<br />
***Current: 5,100M reducing steadily (as developing countries are developing and consume more per capita).<br />
***Max: XXXX (optimizing production, limiting consumption)<br />
***Max with current arable land: XXXX<br />
XX% of arable land in under intensive farming, XX% in organic farming, XX% in extensive farming.<br />
<br />
===Discrimination===<br />
Globalisation allow for strong mixing of populations. Cultures are confronted to each other more and more.<br />
<br />
===Ecology===<br />
*Fossil fuel is running out<br />
*Biodiversity is running out<br />
*Desertification<br />
*Climate change<br />
*Possible rise of the sea level<br />
*Few recycling chains are available<br />
*The planet will be handed over to the next generation in a worse state<br />
<br />
==Causes of problems==<br />
Do not try to make one cause correspond to one problem. War creates violence AND famines for example. Stick to what is clearly causing ''problems'' globally.<br />
<br />
Let's also concentrate of causes that can be fixed at an acceptable cost.<br />
<br />
Please post your name if you're criticizing an entry.<br />
<br />
*Systemic flaws<br />
**Debt-driven monetary system<br />
***Over-consumption<br />
****Cause: excessive production.<br />
****''Disagree. Excessive production is fueled by over-consumption, which is fueled in turn by good marketing, which exploits a human-nature flaw. [[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 13:59, 8 November 2010 (UTC)''<br />
***Ability to make more money just by having money (widening wealth gap)<br />
***Etc<br />
* Human nature<br />
**Corruption<br />
**Greed<br />
**Ignorance<br />
<br />
==Possible solutions==<br />
Please wait for "cause of problems" to be thick enough before submitting here</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Fixing_the_world&diff=4085Fixing the world2010-11-07T11:30:14Z<p>Sitarane: /* War */</p>
<hr />
<div>The goal of this page is to give a global perspective on the problems of the world and the way to fixing them, if can be singled out.<br />
<br />
The problems it's looking to identify must clearly be identified as bad. "hunger, violence..." and similar.<br />
<br />
''Note: try to stick to Millions when quoting figures regarding to worldwide population or budget, in order to keep a better perspective. 265 millions has the trick to unconsciously seem higher than 1.2 billions''<br />
<br />
==List of the problems (please categorize if relevant)==<br />
<br />
===Hunger===<br />
*Basal metabolism is between 4600 and 9200 kJ a day depending on stature, age and gender.<br />
**Physically active people must be able to spend a minimum of 12,500 kJ a day.<br />
Source: wikipedia<br />
:Most people around the world require daily physical exertion.<br />
*1000M people are considered malnourished<br />
*36M people die of malnutrition every year (58% of the yearly death toll)<br />
**Of which 5M children, more than half the child-death toll.<br />
Source: Wikipedia<br />
:Children have higher basal metabolism and are more subject to die from lack of calories.<br />
:Note that the causes of death for children must be somewhat dramatic. They can't die of natural causes.<br />
*884M 13% people have no access to a protected source of water<br />
:Source: Wikipedia<br />
**Links to hygiene and epidemies<br />
===War===<br />
Megadeath war like WW1 and 2 seem to be out of fashion. The most deadly recent conflict (Congo) has killed 4M over the course of 6 years (98-04), which is way bellow the rate achieved mid-century in Europe.<br />
*Sudden death from war does not represent a significant death toll.<br />
:Source: Heavy web research. Put numbers if you can.<br />
*XXX people are directly affected by a war in the past 10 years<br />
:Can someone dig that number?<br />
*Amount spend yearly worldwide on military: $1,500,000M ($1,5T)<br />
**3% of the World GDP<br />
**Of which 46% is only for the USA (10 times that of the nr2 (China))<br />
**Rising steadily at the rate of 6% per year.<br />
Sources: [http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending Global Issues], [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm Global Security]<br />
*Estimated arm contraband budget worldwide: XXXX<br />
**It seems there are no available figures, neither in $ nor in volume.<br />
**An high availability of guns on a black market is likely to tip political protest into violence.<br />
***Violent protest seem to not work very well. Non violent protest is more likely to lead to change.<br />
**Reducing the availability of weapons is likely to promote social change, in addition to reducing war consequences. (Move to "solutions")<br />
<br />
===Inequalities===<br />
*Racial<br />
*Gender<br />
*Social<br />
*Health<br />
**XXX people have no health insurrance. XXX have partial health insurance.<br />
**Due to low income, XXX people are not in the position of getting treatment for a grave illness or accident.<br />
**Epidemic prevention is bellow current standard for XXX people<br />
**Epidemics are not worried about in regions where XXX people live.<br />
<br />
===Malnutrition===<br />
*Lethal drugs<br />
*Overpopulation<br />
**2010 growth rate: 1.2%, steadily losing 0.03 points every year<br />
**Leads to a 2050 peak of 9,200M people followed by a decline (prospect likely to change).<br />
**Carrying capacity of the Earth<br />
***Current: 5,100M reducing steadily (as developing countries are developing and consume more per capita).<br />
***Max: XXXX (optimizing production, limiting consumption)<br />
***Max with current arable land: XXXX<br />
XX% of arable land in under intensive farming, XX% in organic farming, XX% in extensive farming.<br />
<br />
===Discrimination===<br />
Globalisation allow for strong mixing of populations. Cultures are confronted to each other more and more.<br />
<br />
===Ecology===<br />
*Fossil fuel is running out<br />
*Biodiversity is running out<br />
*Desertification<br />
*Climate change<br />
*Possible rise of the sea level<br />
*Few recycling chains are available<br />
*The planet will be handed over to the next generation in a worse state<br />
<br />
==Causes of problems==<br />
* Corruption<br />
* Greed<br />
* Ignorance<br />
<br />
Do not try to make one cause correspond to one problem. War creates violence AND famines for example. Stick to what is clearly causing ''problems'' globally.<br />
<br />
<br />
==Possible solutions==<br />
Please wait for "cause of problems" to be thick enough before submitting here</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Fixing_the_world&diff=4084Fixing the world2010-11-07T11:28:38Z<p>Sitarane: /* War */</p>
<hr />
<div>The goal of this page is to give a global perspective on the problems of the world and the way to fixing them, if can be singled out.<br />
<br />
The problems it's looking to identify must clearly be identified as bad. "hunger, violence..." and similar.<br />
<br />
''Note: try to stick to Millions when quoting figures regarding to worldwide population or budget, in order to keep a better perspective. 265 millions has the trick to unconsciously seem higher than 1.2 billions''<br />
<br />
==List of the problems (please categorize if relevant)==<br />
<br />
===Hunger===<br />
*Basal metabolism is between 4600 and 9200 kJ a day depending on stature, age and gender.<br />
**Physically active people must be able to spend a minimum of 12,500 kJ a day.<br />
Source: wikipedia<br />
:Most people around the world require daily physical exertion.<br />
*1000M people are considered malnourished<br />
*36M people die of malnutrition every year (58% of the yearly death toll)<br />
**Of which 5M children, more than half the child-death toll.<br />
Source: Wikipedia<br />
:Children have higher basal metabolism and are more subject to die from lack of calories.<br />
:Note that the causes of death for children must be somewhat dramatic. They can't die of natural causes.<br />
*884M 13% people have no access to a protected source of water<br />
:Source: Wikipedia<br />
**Links to hygiene and epidemies<br />
===War===<br />
Megadeath war like WW1 and 2 seem to be out of fashion. The most deadly recent conflict (Congo) has killed 4M over the course of 6 years (98-04), which is way bellow the rate achieved mid-century in Europe.<br />
*Sudden death from war does not represent a significant death toll.<br />
:Source: Heavy web research. Put numbers if you can.<br />
*XXX people are directly affected by a war in the past 10 years<br />
:Can someone dig that number?<br />
*Amount spend yearly worldwide on military: $1,500,000M ($1,5T)<br />
**3% of the World GDP<br />
**Of which 46% is only for the USA (10 times that of the nr2 (China))<br />
**Rising steadily at the rate of 6% per year.<br />
Sources: [http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending Global Issues], [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm Global Security]<br />
*Estimated arm contraband budget worldwide: XXXX<br />
**It seems there are no available figures, neither in $ nor in volume.<br />
**An high availability of guns on a black market is likely to tip political protest into violence.<br />
***Violent protest seem to not work very well. Non violent protest is more likely to lead to change.<br />
<br />
===Inequalities===<br />
*Racial<br />
*Gender<br />
*Social<br />
*Health<br />
**XXX people have no health insurrance. XXX have partial health insurance.<br />
**Due to low income, XXX people are not in the position of getting treatment for a grave illness or accident.<br />
**Epidemic prevention is bellow current standard for XXX people<br />
**Epidemics are not worried about in regions where XXX people live.<br />
<br />
===Malnutrition===<br />
*Lethal drugs<br />
*Overpopulation<br />
**2010 growth rate: 1.2%, steadily losing 0.03 points every year<br />
**Leads to a 2050 peak of 9,200M people followed by a decline (prospect likely to change).<br />
**Carrying capacity of the Earth<br />
***Current: 5,100M reducing steadily (as developing countries are developing and consume more per capita).<br />
***Max: XXXX (optimizing production, limiting consumption)<br />
***Max with current arable land: XXXX<br />
XX% of arable land in under intensive farming, XX% in organic farming, XX% in extensive farming.<br />
<br />
===Discrimination===<br />
Globalisation allow for strong mixing of populations. Cultures are confronted to each other more and more.<br />
<br />
===Ecology===<br />
*Fossil fuel is running out<br />
*Biodiversity is running out<br />
*Desertification<br />
*Climate change<br />
*Possible rise of the sea level<br />
*Few recycling chains are available<br />
*The planet will be handed over to the next generation in a worse state<br />
<br />
==Causes of problems==<br />
* Corruption<br />
* Greed<br />
* Ignorance<br />
<br />
Do not try to make one cause correspond to one problem. War creates violence AND famines for example. Stick to what is clearly causing ''problems'' globally.<br />
<br />
<br />
==Possible solutions==<br />
Please wait for "cause of problems" to be thick enough before submitting here</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Fixing_the_world&diff=4082Fixing the world2010-11-06T20:18:07Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
<hr />
<div>The goal of this page is to give a global perspective on the problems of the world and the way to fixing them, if can be singled out.<br />
<br />
The problems it's looking to identify must clearly be identified as bad. "hunger, violence..." and similar.<br />
<br />
''Note: try to stick to Millions when quoting figures regarding to worldwide population or budget, in order to keep a better perspective. 265 millions has the trick to unconsciously seem higher than 1.2 billions''<br />
<br />
=List of the problems (please categorize if relevant)=<br />
<br />
==Hunger==<br />
*Basal metabolism is between 4600 and 9200 kJ a day depending on stature, age and gender.<br />
**Physically active people must be able to spend a minimum of 12,500 kJ a day.<br />
Source: wikipedia<br />
:Most people around the world require daily physical exertion.<br />
*1000M people are considered malnourished<br />
*36M people die of malnutrition every year (58% of the yearly death toll)<br />
**Of which 5M children, more than half the child-death toll.<br />
Source: Wikipedia<br />
:Children have higher basal metabolism and are more subject to die from lack of calories.<br />
:Note that the causes of death for children must be somewhat dramatic. They can't die of natural causes.<br />
*884M 13% people have no access to a protected source of water<br />
:Source: Wikipedia<br />
**Links to hygiene and epidemies<br />
==War==<br />
Megadeath war like WW1 and 2 seem to be out of fashion. The most deadly recent conflict (Congo) has killed 4M over the course of 6 years (98-04), which is way bellow the rate achieved mid-century in Europe.<br />
*Sudden death from war does not represent a significant death toll.<br />
:Source: Heavy web research. Put numbers if you can.<br />
*XXX people are directly affected by a war in the past 10 years<br />
:Can someone dig that number?<br />
*Amount spend yearly worldwide on military: $1,500,000M ($1,5T)<br />
**3% of the World GDP<br />
**Of which 46% is only for the USA (10 times that of the nr2 (China))<br />
**Rising steadily at the rate of 6% per year.<br />
Sources: [http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending Global Issues], [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm Global Security]<br />
*Estimated arm contraband budget worldwide: XXXX<br />
:That's an important figure, I can't seem to dig it out.<br />
==Inequalities==<br />
*Racial<br />
*Gender<br />
*Social<br />
*Health<br />
**XXX people have no health insurrance. XXX have partial health insurance.<br />
**Due to low income, XXX people are not in the position of getting treatment for a grave illness or accident.<br />
**Epidemic prevention is bellow current standard for XXX people<br />
**Epidemics are not worried about in regions where XXX people live.<br />
==Malnutrition==<br />
*Lethal drugs<br />
*Overpopulation<br />
**2010 growth rate: 1.2%, steadily losing 0.03 points every year<br />
**Leads to a 2050 peak of 9,200M people followed by a decline (prospect likely to change).<br />
**Carrying capacity of the Earth<br />
***Current: 5,100M reducing steadily (as developing countries are developing and consume more per capita).<br />
***Max: XXXX (optimizing production, limiting consumption)<br />
***Max with current arable land: XXXX<br />
XX% of arable land in under intensive farming, XX% in organic farming, XX% in extensive farming.<br />
==Discrimination==<br />
Globalisation allow for strong mixing of populations. Cultures are confronted to each other more and more.<br />
==Ecology==<br />
*Fossil fuel is running out<br />
*Biodiversity is running out<br />
*Desertification<br />
*Climate change<br />
*Possible rise of the sea level<br />
*Few recycling chains are available<br />
*The planet will be handed over to the next generation in a worse state<br />
<br />
=Causes of problems=<br />
Do not try to make one cause correspond to one problem. War creates violence AND famines for example. Stick to what is clearly causing ''problems'' globally.<br />
<br />
=Possible solutions=<br />
Please wait for "cause of problems" to be thick enough before submitting here</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Fixing_the_world&diff=4081Fixing the world2010-11-06T20:17:08Z<p>Sitarane: Created page with 'The goal of this page is to give a global perspective on the problems of the world and the way to fixing them, if can be singled out. The problems it's looking to identify must …'</p>
<hr />
<div>The goal of this page is to give a global perspective on the problems of the world and the way to fixing them, if can be singled out.<br />
<br />
The problems it's looking to identify must clearly be identified as bad. "hunger, violence..." and similar.<br />
<br />
''Note: try to stick to Millions when quoting figures regarding to worldwide population or budget, in order to keep a better perspective. 265 millions has the trick to unconsciously seem higher than 1.2 billions''<br />
<br />
=List of the problems (please categorize if relevant)=<br />
<br />
==Hunger==<br />
*Basal metabolism is between 4600 and 9200 kJ a day depending on stature, age and gender.<br />
**Physically active people must be able to spend a minimum of 12,500 kJ a day.<br />
Source: wikipedia<br />
:Most people around the world require daily physical exertion.<br />
*1000M people are considered malnourished<br />
*36M people die of malnutrition every year (58% of the yearly death toll)<br />
**Of which 5M children, more than half the child-death toll.<br />
Source: Wikipedia<br />
:Children have higher basal metabolism and are more subject to die from lack of calories.<br />
:Note that the causes of death for children must be somewhat dramatic. They can't die of natural causes.<br />
*884M 13% people have no access to a protected source of water<br />
:Source: Wikipedia<br />
**Links to hygiene and epidemies<br />
==War==<br />
Megadeath war like WW1 and 2 seem to be out of fashion. The most deadly recent conflict (Congo) has killed 4M over the course of 6 years (98-04), which is way bellow the rate achieved mid-century in Europe.<br />
*Sudden death from war does not represent a significant death toll.<br />
:Source: Heavy web research. Put numbers if you can.<br />
*XXX people are directly affected by a war in the past 10 years<br />
:Can someone dig that number?<br />
*Amount spend yearly worldwide on military: $1,500,000M ($1,5T)<br />
**3% of the World GDP<br />
**Of which 46% is only for the USA (10 times that of the nr2 (China))<br />
**Rising steadily at the rate of 6% per year.<br />
Sources: [http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending Global Issues], [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm Global Security]<br />
*Estimated arm contraband budget worldwide: XXXX<br />
:That's an important figure, I can't seem to dig it out.<br />
==Inequalities==<br />
*Racial<br />
*Gender<br />
*Social<br />
*Health<br />
**XXX people have no health insurrance. XXX have partial health insurance.<br />
**Due to low income, XXX people are not in the position of getting treatment for a grave illness or accident.<br />
**Epidemic prevention is bellow current standard for XXX people<br />
**Epidemics are not worried about in regions where XXX people live.<br />
==Malnutrition==<br />
*Lethal drugs<br />
*Overpopulation<br />
**2010 growth rate: 1.2%, steadily losing 0.03 points every year<br />
**Leads to a 2050 peak of 9,200M people followed by a decline (prospect likely to change).<br />
**Carrying capacity of the Earth<br />
***Current: 5,100M reducing steadily (as developing countries are developing and consume more per capita).<br />
***Max: XXXX (optimizing production, limiting consumption)<br />
***Max with current arable land: XXXX<br />
XX% of arable land in under intensive farming, XX% in organic farming, XX% in extensive farming.<br />
==Discrimination==<br />
Globalisation allow for strong mixing of populations. Cultures are confronted to each other more and more.<br />
==Ecology==<br />
*Fossil fuel is running out<br />
*Biodiversity is running out<br />
*Desertification<br />
*Climate change<br />
*Possible rise of the sea level<br />
*Few recycling chains are available<br />
*The planet will be handed over to the next generation in a worse state<br />
<br />
==Causes of problems==<br />
Do not try to make one cause correspond to one problem. War creates violence AND famines for example. Stick to what is clearly causing ''problems'' globally.<br />
<br />
==Possible solutions==<br />
Please wait for "cause of problems" to be thick enough before submitting here</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Post_Scarcity_Foundation&diff=2375Post Scarcity Foundation2010-06-20T10:42:24Z<p>Sitarane: /* Mission */</p>
<hr />
<div>The '''Post Scarcity Foundation''' is a stub. ''Feel free to edit, be critical and add ideas!''<br />
<br />
<br />
==Mission==<br />
'''''to work towards a post-scarcity society'''''<br />
<br />
'''''for a more efficient society'''''<br />
<br />
'''''make the best of what we have'''''<br />
<br />
'''''maximizing what is limited'''''<br />
<br />
==Means==<br />
Means of achieving [[post-scarcity]]:<br />
* [[sharing]]<br />
** community<br />
** knowledge<br />
** housing<br />
** food<br />
** peer to peer<br />
* [[technology]]<br />
** fablabs<br />
** free design<br />
<br />
===Fields===<br />
* informationn, culture<br />
** post-scarcity is around the corner, held back by big media corporations and e.g. Apple<br />
* software<br />
** through [[free software]]<br />
** [[hackerspace]]<br />
* communication<br />
** close<br />
* transport<br />
** lots of potential<br />
* food<br />
** local production<br />
***guerilla gardening<br />
** waste reduction<br />
*** [[dumpster diving]]<br />
** vegetarianism/veganism<br />
<br />
==The websites==<br />
No ads, except for possibly [[Adbard]] or similar ethical advertising?<br />
<br />
===The wiki===<br />
We already have it, [[Sharewiki]] suits fine!<br />
<br />
<br />
===The blog===<br />
The next step. Regular blog posts about post-scarcity.<br />
<br />
<br />
===The social network===<br />
Joining:<br />
* By signing up you will state that you will act towards a post-scarcity society?<br />
* First 1000? members invitation only?<br />
<br />
Practicalities:<br />
* hook into existing networks, FB, CS, twt<br />
* joindiaspora?<br />
* practical:<br />
** ride shares<br />
** hospitality exchange<br />
<br />
==Stuff it will own==<br />
* Various domains: sharewiki, trashwiki, nomadbase.org, sustainablepost.org, hitchgathering.org, couchwiki.org<br />
* Possibly: casarobino.org, randomroads.org<br />
<br />
==An official organization==<br />
* In the [[Netherlands]]<br />
* Can fund projects like Hitchwiki, Trashwiki, new projects<br />
** Provide money to people to focus on developing these projects<br />
* Can receive EU funding<br />
* Accepts donations<br />
<br />
<br />
==People==<br />
* [[User:Guaka|guaka]] wants to found this in 2010, plus technological <br />
* [[User:Robino|Robino]] is also committed.<br />
* [[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] for some community slave service<br />
* ''add yourself if you want to help - add what you want to help with''</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Post_Scarcity_Foundation&diff=2374Post Scarcity Foundation2010-06-20T10:42:14Z<p>Sitarane: /* Mission */</p>
<hr />
<div>The '''Post Scarcity Foundation''' is a stub. ''Feel free to edit, be critical and add ideas!''<br />
<br />
<br />
==Mission==<br />
'''''to work towards a post-scarcity society'''''<br />
'''''for a more efficient society'''''<br />
'''''make the best of what we have'''''<br />
'''''maximizing what is limited'''''<br />
<br />
==Means==<br />
Means of achieving [[post-scarcity]]:<br />
* [[sharing]]<br />
** community<br />
** knowledge<br />
** housing<br />
** food<br />
** peer to peer<br />
* [[technology]]<br />
** fablabs<br />
** free design<br />
<br />
===Fields===<br />
* informationn, culture<br />
** post-scarcity is around the corner, held back by big media corporations and e.g. Apple<br />
* software<br />
** through [[free software]]<br />
** [[hackerspace]]<br />
* communication<br />
** close<br />
* transport<br />
** lots of potential<br />
* food<br />
** local production<br />
***guerilla gardening<br />
** waste reduction<br />
*** [[dumpster diving]]<br />
** vegetarianism/veganism<br />
<br />
==The websites==<br />
No ads, except for possibly [[Adbard]] or similar ethical advertising?<br />
<br />
===The wiki===<br />
We already have it, [[Sharewiki]] suits fine!<br />
<br />
<br />
===The blog===<br />
The next step. Regular blog posts about post-scarcity.<br />
<br />
<br />
===The social network===<br />
Joining:<br />
* By signing up you will state that you will act towards a post-scarcity society?<br />
* First 1000? members invitation only?<br />
<br />
Practicalities:<br />
* hook into existing networks, FB, CS, twt<br />
* joindiaspora?<br />
* practical:<br />
** ride shares<br />
** hospitality exchange<br />
<br />
==Stuff it will own==<br />
* Various domains: sharewiki, trashwiki, nomadbase.org, sustainablepost.org, hitchgathering.org, couchwiki.org<br />
* Possibly: casarobino.org, randomroads.org<br />
<br />
==An official organization==<br />
* In the [[Netherlands]]<br />
* Can fund projects like Hitchwiki, Trashwiki, new projects<br />
** Provide money to people to focus on developing these projects<br />
* Can receive EU funding<br />
* Accepts donations<br />
<br />
<br />
==People==<br />
* [[User:Guaka|guaka]] wants to found this in 2010, plus technological <br />
* [[User:Robino|Robino]] is also committed.<br />
* [[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] for some community slave service<br />
* ''add yourself if you want to help - add what you want to help with''</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Post_Scarcity_Foundation&diff=2373Post Scarcity Foundation2010-06-20T10:40:30Z<p>Sitarane: /* People */</p>
<hr />
<div>The '''Post Scarcity Foundation''' is a stub. ''Feel free to edit, be critical and add ideas!''<br />
<br />
<br />
==Mission==<br />
'''''to work towards a post-scarcity society'''''<br />
<br />
==Means==<br />
Means of achieving [[post-scarcity]]:<br />
* [[sharing]]<br />
** community<br />
** knowledge<br />
** housing<br />
** food<br />
** peer to peer<br />
* [[technology]]<br />
** fablabs<br />
** free design<br />
<br />
===Fields===<br />
* informationn, culture<br />
** post-scarcity is around the corner, held back by big media corporations and e.g. Apple<br />
* software<br />
** through [[free software]]<br />
** [[hackerspace]]<br />
* communication<br />
** close<br />
* transport<br />
** lots of potential<br />
* food<br />
** local production<br />
***guerilla gardening<br />
** waste reduction<br />
*** [[dumpster diving]]<br />
** vegetarianism/veganism<br />
<br />
==The websites==<br />
No ads, except for possibly [[Adbard]] or similar ethical advertising?<br />
<br />
===The wiki===<br />
We already have it, [[Sharewiki]] suits fine!<br />
<br />
<br />
===The blog===<br />
The next step. Regular blog posts about post-scarcity.<br />
<br />
<br />
===The social network===<br />
Joining:<br />
* By signing up you will state that you will act towards a post-scarcity society?<br />
* First 1000? members invitation only?<br />
<br />
Practicalities:<br />
* hook into existing networks, FB, CS, twt<br />
* joindiaspora?<br />
* practical:<br />
** ride shares<br />
** hospitality exchange<br />
<br />
==Stuff it will own==<br />
* Various domains: sharewiki, trashwiki, nomadbase.org, sustainablepost.org, hitchgathering.org, couchwiki.org<br />
* Possibly: casarobino.org, randomroads.org<br />
<br />
==An official organization==<br />
* In the [[Netherlands]]<br />
* Can fund projects like Hitchwiki, Trashwiki, new projects<br />
** Provide money to people to focus on developing these projects<br />
* Can receive EU funding<br />
* Accepts donations<br />
<br />
<br />
==People==<br />
* [[User:Guaka|guaka]] wants to found this in 2010, plus technological <br />
* [[User:Robino|Robino]] is also committed.<br />
* [[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] for some community slave service<br />
* ''add yourself if you want to help - add what you want to help with''</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Post_Scarcity_Foundation&diff=2372Talk:Post Scarcity Foundation2010-06-20T10:39:24Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
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<div>"Post scarcity foundation" carries out the feeling that we dig trash because there is not enough food to survive. While the reason why I do it is because there is too much. I feel like "post abundance" would fit the bill better, but I don't like "post-anything" because of the following: It defines itself through another unrelated concept ("scarcity" here). When that other concept evolves, it affects us.<br />
<br />
Yes, I'm a definition nazi. If you agree that a good domain name plays a part in the success of a website, then so are you.<br />
<br />
Think of "post-modern" or "neo-consevatism" or "anti-capitalism" ... For a more thorough and philosophical overview of the importance of self-standing definitions, see [http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/w/wells/hg/w45mu/appendix1.html this brilliant post] from H.G. Wells on a pre-internet publication (huhu). (find the phrase : "I have now to tell you of another aspect of this scepticism of the instrument" on the very long page to get to that part of the argument, but you should read the whole thing, it's going to change your life).<br />
<br />
I know the term "post-scarcity" is already coined, but a dyslexic moron in a hurry is likely to misinterpret it.<br />
<br />
A general term that is self-standing and accurately encompasses the stuff we want to put in would be nice.<br />
<br />
"simple life foundation" "make-a-sense foundation" "optimal foundation" "ressource usage foundation" ... I'm sure we can come up with something.<br />
<br />
Just saying...<br />
<br />
[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 10:31, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
I feel we should merge "fields" and "means". I'm a bit mixed up on what goes where. Please someone educate me or I swear I'll do it!<br />
<br />
:)<br />
<br />
[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 10:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Post_Scarcity_Foundation&diff=2371Post Scarcity Foundation2010-06-20T10:38:23Z<p>Sitarane: /* Means */</p>
<hr />
<div>The '''Post Scarcity Foundation''' is a stub. ''Feel free to edit, be critical and add ideas!''<br />
<br />
<br />
==Mission==<br />
'''''to work towards a post-scarcity society'''''<br />
<br />
==Means==<br />
Means of achieving [[post-scarcity]]:<br />
* [[sharing]]<br />
** community<br />
** knowledge<br />
** housing<br />
** food<br />
** peer to peer<br />
* [[technology]]<br />
** fablabs<br />
** free design<br />
<br />
===Fields===<br />
* informationn, culture<br />
** post-scarcity is around the corner, held back by big media corporations and e.g. Apple<br />
* software<br />
** through [[free software]]<br />
** [[hackerspace]]<br />
* communication<br />
** close<br />
* transport<br />
** lots of potential<br />
* food<br />
** local production<br />
***guerilla gardening<br />
** waste reduction<br />
*** [[dumpster diving]]<br />
** vegetarianism/veganism<br />
<br />
==The websites==<br />
No ads, except for possibly [[Adbard]] or similar ethical advertising?<br />
<br />
===The wiki===<br />
We already have it, [[Sharewiki]] suits fine!<br />
<br />
<br />
===The blog===<br />
The next step. Regular blog posts about post-scarcity.<br />
<br />
<br />
===The social network===<br />
Joining:<br />
* By signing up you will state that you will act towards a post-scarcity society?<br />
* First 1000? members invitation only?<br />
<br />
Practicalities:<br />
* hook into existing networks, FB, CS, twt<br />
* joindiaspora?<br />
* practical:<br />
** ride shares<br />
** hospitality exchange<br />
<br />
==Stuff it will own==<br />
* Various domains: sharewiki, trashwiki, nomadbase.org, sustainablepost.org, hitchgathering.org, couchwiki.org<br />
* Possibly: casarobino.org, randomroads.org<br />
<br />
==An official organization==<br />
* In the [[Netherlands]]<br />
* Can fund projects like Hitchwiki, Trashwiki, new projects<br />
** Provide money to people to focus on developing these projects<br />
* Can receive EU funding<br />
* Accepts donations<br />
<br />
<br />
==People==<br />
* [[User:Guaka|guaka]] wants to found this in 2010, plus technological <br />
* [[User:Robino|Robino]] is also committed.<br />
* ''add yourself if you want to help - add what you want to help with''</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Post_Scarcity_Foundation&diff=2370Talk:Post Scarcity Foundation2010-06-20T10:31:59Z<p>Sitarane: Created page with '"Post scarcity foundation" carries out the feeling that we dig trash because there is not enough food to survive. While the reason why I do it is because there is too much. I fee…'</p>
<hr />
<div>"Post scarcity foundation" carries out the feeling that we dig trash because there is not enough food to survive. While the reason why I do it is because there is too much. I feel like "post abundance" would fit the bill better, but I don't like "post-anything" because of the following: It defines itself through another unrelated concept ("scarcity" here). When that other concept evolves, it affects us.<br />
<br />
Yes, I'm a definition nazi. If you agree that a good domain name plays a part in the success of a website, then so are you.<br />
<br />
Think of "post-modern" or "neo-consevatism" or "anti-capitalism" ... For a more thorough and philosophical overview of the importance of self-standing definitions, see [http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/w/wells/hg/w45mu/appendix1.html this brilliant post] from H.G. Wells on a pre-internet publication (huhu). (find the phrase : "I have now to tell you of another aspect of this scepticism of the instrument" on the very long page to get to that part of the argument, but you should read the whole thing, it's going to change your life).<br />
<br />
I know the term "post-scarcity" is already coined, but a dyslexic moron in a hurry is likely to misinterpret it.<br />
<br />
A general term that is self-standing and accurately encompasses the stuff we want to put in would be nice.<br />
<br />
"simple life foundation" "make-a-sense foundation" "optimal foundation" "ressource usage foundation" ... I'm sure we can come up with something.<br />
<br />
Just saying...<br />
<br />
[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 10:31, 20 June 2010 (UTC)</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Models_for_distribution_of_cultural_content&diff=2123Models for distribution of cultural content2010-03-03T23:15:29Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
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<div>This page is an attempt to draft an efficient and ethical distribution system for cultural content. In the context of the clash between production lobbies and the general public.<br />
<br />
The issue is particularly sensitive in the field of music but has already spread to cinema and videogames and will soon affect literature. It would be good to keep a wide angle focus on the terms "artist".<br />
<br />
==The current model==<br />
<br />
An artist only produces art.<br />
<br />
For the needs of production, promotion, distribution, artist usually hire producers (distributors, editors... the name varies). The producers usually takes a major part of the revenue generated (90% for record producers and book editors). In most cases, the copyright to the creation is shared between the artist and the producer.<br />
<br />
The distribution model usually involves printing hard copies of a digital content, shipping it to the sales point and selling them with huge margins ; and suppressing peer to peer sharing of the content.<br />
<br />
''It should be too hard to find a more efficient alternative.''<br />
<br />
==Alternatives==<br />
===Existing===<br />
===Possible===<br />
<br />
[[Category:Media]]<br />
[[Category:Art]]<br />
[[Category:Copyleft]]<br />
[[Category:Ideas]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Conception_d%27un_fyer_pour_Primev%C3%A8re&diff=2032Conception d'un fyer pour Primevère2010-02-23T17:42:20Z<p>Sitarane: New page: Bon, des suggestions de slogans? Category:Robins_des_Graines</p>
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<div>Bon, des suggestions de slogans?<br />
<br />
[[Category:Robins_des_Graines]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Robins_des_Graines&diff=2031Category:Robins des Graines2010-02-23T17:36:56Z<p>Sitarane: New page: Sur cette page, tout les articles concernant le projet "Robins des graines".</p>
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<div>Sur cette page, tout les articles concernant le projet "Robins des graines".</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Petit_compte-rendu_informel_de_tout_ce_qu%27on_s%27est_dit_Mardi_9_F%C3%A9vrier&diff=1997Petit compte-rendu informel de tout ce qu'on s'est dit Mardi 9 Février2010-02-11T16:40:01Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
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<div>==Intro==<br />
<br />
Pour commencer, merci à Silence qui nous a gentiment accueillis !! 30 personnes autour d'une table, ça fait du monde. Il va y en avoir des graines plantées un peu partout !!!<br />
<br />
En plus, étaient présents pleins d'assos représentées à titre perso (ou non?) par des personnes motivées et volontaires : les compostiers, la maison de l'écologie, Silence, Passe Jardins, Pentes Vertes, l'Altertour, le Jardin du Loup (ou Vaise de Loup), et certainement d'autres !<br />
<br />
==Déroulement==<br />
===Tour de table===<br />
Après une petite présentation de ce pour quoi on est là, à savoir verdir notre ville, on est rapidement passé à un tour de table pour que chacun exprime ses envies / idées / attentes par rapport au projet. Plutôt des fleurs ? Des légumes ? Dans des parterres ? Des friches ? Quelle organisation pour le groupe ? Besoin de cadre ou pas trop ou pas du tout ?<br />
<br />
===Des graines et du compost===<br />
Après ça, on s'est dit qu'il fallait de l''''action'''. Bon, oui, mais pour ça, il nous faut au moins des graines. Et ça tombe bien, Benoît nous en propose plein ! Chouette ! Merci Benoît !<br />
<br />
"Semences Paysannes" se proposent également de nous donner des graines.<br />
<br />
Possibilité d'en obtenir d'associations de jardins partagés ?<br />
<br />
Et pour le compost ? A voir avec les jardins qui en ont aussi besoin mais a priori, les compostiers peuvent fournir le compost nécessaire à nos actions ! Reste à trouver les outils (et une baignoire ?!??) et deux trois autres choses mais je suis sure qu'on saura tous ramener un petit truc au prochain atelier de fabrication de bouquets volants.<br />
<br />
===Communication===<br />
En plus de ça, Julien propose de créer le wiki du groupe pour que chacun puisse y ajouter des informations et qu'on participe collectivement à la construction du projet sur informatique aussi bien que dans la rue. On a aussi des volontaires pour le graphisme. Et silence propose d'imprimer quelques flyers si besoin pour faire connaître nos actions, notamment au salon Primevère. Que demander de plus ?<br />
<br />
Pour rajouter des éléments, faire des commentaires, ou dire ce qui peut marcher bien ou moins bien, un groupe google a été créé : http://groups.google.fr/group/robins-des-graines<br />
<br />
===Prochains rendez-vous===<br />
Ben une date pardi ! Et vu qu'on est plein, on va même en choisir deux !!!<br />
Ce sera donc .........<br />
<br />
# '''Mardi 16 Mars de 19h à 22h''' (on arrive quand on veut, on repart quand on veut, youpi !). où ça ? Chez les compostiers ou à Silence ?<br />
# '''Samedi 27 Mars''' parce que : c'est la fête des semis du réseau des jardins partagés et c'est aussi le marché des plantes rares à St-Priest.<br />
<br />
Du coup, lieux à définir bientôt...<br />
Dans les autres dates à retenir dès à présent, on note la grande fête de la plantation à la Guill', le 8 mai. Et surtout Primevère qui aura lieu les 26 / 27 / 28 février. A cette occasion, Semons la biodiversité organise un '''troc de graines le samedi à 11h'''. L'occasion de venir échanger ou récupérer de petites graines que nous pourront voir grandir.<br />
<br />
===Synthèse du tour de table===<br />
Voici pelle-mêle (ahah) les interrogations, exclamations, explications sur le pourquoi du comment de la présence de chacun :<br />
<br />
* objectif : se faire plaisir !<br />
* pour ne pas être en concurrence avec la ville, il faut planter les endroits délaissés par les jardiniers municipaux : autour d'arbres, de poteaux, goutières...<br />
* Si on plante des légumes, est-ce qu'on va pouvoir les manger même si des chiens font caca dessus et que les pots d'échappement échappent pleins de trucs pas bons dessus ? Plus sérieusement se pose la réelle question de la '''comestibilité des légumes''' plantés dans ce type d'espace urbain. Des recherches doivent déjà être effectuées, il faudrait en trouver les résultats et les communiquer pour que chacun soit au courant de ce qu'il mange.<br />
* Il est plus pertinent (et économique) de faire des tests sur les produit que sur les sols.<br />
* Rajoutons de la '''biodiversité''' en ville ! '''Réapproprions nous l'espace public''' !<br />
* '''Autosuffisance alimentaire des villes'''... on en parle, mais finalement, est-ce que c'est possible ? Si on essaie pas un tout petit peu, c'est sur qu'on pourra pas voir beaucoup de changement !<br />
* Marre de voir des pensées (les fleurs) moches dans les bacs prévus pour, toutes bien alignées et qui changent toutes les 3 semaines ! Si on faisait autre chose ?<br />
* Peut-être qu'on pourrait faire deux choses différentes ? Planter des fleurs un peu partout où elles pourraient pousser et des légumes dans des endroits un peu plus abrités, pour un suivi plus régulier jusqu'à '''la récolte''', et peut être même pouvoir les manger ?<br />
* Pas de cadre trop défini pour cette action, il faut qu'on reste '''le plus souple possible''', comme ça, tout le monde s'implique comme il veut, et tout le monde est content<br />
* Initiation au '''jardinage de manière collective et ludique'''<br />
* Avant, tout le monde avait un jardin. La ville ne nous permet plus de disposer de cet espace. Et si on se le réappropriait de manière citoyenne ? Si on recréait des sols ? Idée : liner de piscine + feuilles mortes suffisent pour faire pousser des fraises des bois.<br />
* Côté '''éducation / citoyenneté''' pour que les enfants arrêtent de croire que les patates poussent sur les arbres et que les tomates se déterrent en hiver !<br />
* '''Gratuité''' dans l'espace public ! '''Interpellons les passants''' en nous baladant avec des '''arrosoirs''' et des binettes !<br />
* Des légumes font de super fleurs, pensons aux topinambours !<br />
* Lancer des graines sur des chantiers par exemple peut être un bon moyen de lutter contre l'ambroisie.<br />
* Idée ! Si on faisait des '''pochoirs en forme de carottes''' ou autre pour remplacer les fleurs à l'entrée des villes par des légumes ?<br />
* Plantons par quartier. Organisons nous en '''petits groupes locaux''' pour planter vers chez nous. C'est plus sympa de le faire à plusieurs, mais c'est aussi plus sympa quand c'est en bas de chez nous ! On peut préparer les semis et les bouquets volants ensemble et ensuite, répartissons-nous géographiquement !<br />
* Pourquoi ne pas faire une '''carte''' des lieux disponibles et repérés pour que l'on sache où mettre nos petites graines ,<br />
* On peut aussi faire des '''tontines''' pour mettre les plants en hauteur et qu'ils soient moins touchés par la pollution urbaine<br />
* En ville, tout est si bien organisé. Mais pourtant, ce qu'on veut, ce ne sont pas forcément des arbres et des parterres bien alignés. La nature à l'état "'''sauvage'''" n'est pas si présente autour de nous. Amenons-la, elle se débrouillera bien sans nous une fois qu'on aura lancé le truc !<br />
* Les pigeons c'est bien, mais peut-être qu'il pourrait y avoir d'autres espèces d'oiseaux ? Si on plantait des '''céréales''', ça pourrait par exemple attirer des '''passereaux''' ?<br />
* Jardiner ensemble est un bon moyen de '''partager l'expérience''', les bons coins, les bonnes graines...<br />
* L''''art potager''' pourrait peut-être remplacer les discussions autour des crottes de chien et les tags pendant les conseils de quartier ? Ce serait là l'occasion de faire tourner la discussion autour de sujets positifs !<br />
* Le chantier du musée de la confluence est à l'arrêt pour le moment. Si on en profitait pour le recouvrir de fleurs ?<br />
* '''Spontanéité, légèreté''' doivent être les cadres de cette action...<br />
* Les robins des graines sont une action complémentaire des jardins partagés. Ils peuvent d'ailleurs s'aider mutuellement, en se prêtant outils, semences ou autre !<br />
* Éveiller les sens, mais TOUS les sens !! Si les plantes dans la ville, c'est joli, on peut aussi faire en sorte que '''ça sente bon''' quand on passe. Alors plantons des herbes qui fleurent bon et aromatisons nos quartiers !<br />
<br />
==Conclusion==<br />
Qu'est ce qu'on a accompli?<br />
<br />
*Défini le concept un peu plus avant (c'était vague-de-chez-vague avant)<br />
*Défini des dates et une action pour la prochaine rencontre<br />
*Posé les jalons du cadre d'organisation<br />
*Défini les sources de graines<br />
*Gouté une délicieuse tarte aux pommes<br />
<br />
[[Category:Robins_des_Graines]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Petit_compte-rendu_informel_de_tout_ce_qu%27on_s%27est_dit_Mardi_9_F%C3%A9vrier&diff=1996Petit compte-rendu informel de tout ce qu'on s'est dit Mardi 9 Février2010-02-11T16:01:50Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
<hr />
<div>==Intro==<br />
<br />
Pour commencer, merci à Silence qui nous a gentiment accueillis !! 30 personnes autour d'une table, ça fait du monde. Il va y en avoir des graines plantées un peu partout !!!<br />
<br />
En plus, étaient présents pleins d'assos représentées à titre perso (ou non?) par des personnes motivées et volontaires : les compostiers, la maison de l'écologie, Silence, Passe Jardins, Pentes Vertes, l'Altertour, le Jardin du Loup (ou Vaise de Loup), et certainement d'autres !<br />
<br />
==Déroulement==<br />
===Tour de table===<br />
Après une petite présentation de ce pour quoi on est là, à savoir verdir notre ville, on est rapidement passé à un tour de table pour que chacun exprime ses envies / idées / attentes par rapport au projet. Plutôt des fleurs ? Des légumes ? Dans des parterres ? Des friches ? Quelle organisation pour le groupe ? Besoin de cadre ou pas trop ou pas du tout ?<br />
<br />
===Des graines et du compost===<br />
Après ça, on s'est dit qu'il fallait de l''''action'''. Bon, oui, mais pour ça, il nous faut au moins des graines. Et ça tombe bien, Benoît nous en propose plein ! Chouette ! Merci Benoît !<br />
<br />
Et pour le compost ? A voir avec les jardins qui en ont aussi besoin mais a priori, les compostiers peuvent fournir le compost nécessaire à nos actions ! Reste à trouver les outils (et une baignoire ?!??) et deux trois autres choses mais je suis sure qu'on saura tous ramener un petit truc au prochain atelier de fabrication de bouquets volants.<br />
<br />
===Communication===<br />
En plus de ça, Julien propose de créer le wiki du groupe pour que chacun puisse y ajouter des informations et qu'on participe collectivement à la construction du projet sur informatique aussi bien que dans la rue. On a aussi des volontaires pour le graphisme. Et silence propose d'imprimer quelques flyers si besoin pour faire connaître nos actions, notamment au salon Primevère. Que demander de plus ?<br />
<br />
Pour rajouter des éléments, faire des commentaires, ou dire ce qui peut marcher bien ou moins bien, un groupe google a été créé : http://groups.google.fr/group/robins-des-graines<br />
<br />
===Prochains rendez-vous===<br />
Ben une date pardi ! Et vu qu'on est plein, on va même en choisir deux !!!<br />
Ce sera donc .........<br />
<br />
# '''Mardi 16 Mars de 19h à 22h''' (on arrive quand on veut, on repart quand on veut, youpi !). où ça ? Chez les compostiers ou à Silence ?<br />
# '''Samedi 27 Mars''' parce que : c'est la fête des semis du réseau des jardins partagés et c'est aussi le marché des plantes rares à St-Priest.<br />
<br />
Du coup, lieux à définir bientôt...<br />
Dans les autres dates à retenir dès à présent, on note la grande fête de la plantation à la Guill', le 8 mai. Et surtout Primevère qui aura lieu les 26 / 27 / 28 février. A cette occasion, Semons la biodiversité organise un '''troc de graines le samedi à 11h'''. L'occasion de venir échanger ou récupérer de petites graines que nous pourront voir grandir.<br />
<br />
===Synthèse du tour de table===<br />
Voici pelle-mêle (ahah) les interrogations, exclamations, explications sur le pourquoi du comment de la présence de chacun :<br />
<br />
* objectif : se faire plaisir !<br />
* pour ne pas être en concurrence avec la ville, il faut planter les endroits délaissés par les jardiniers municipaux : autour d'arbres, de poteaux, goutières...<br />
* Si on plante des légumes, est-ce qu'on va pouvoir les manger même si des chiens font caca dessus et que les pots d'échappement échappent pleins de trucs pas bons dessus ? Plus sérieusement se pose la réelle question de la '''comestibilité des légumes''' plantés dans ce type d'espace urbain. Des recherches doivent déjà être effectuées, il faudrait en trouver les résultats et les communiquer pour que chacun soit au courant de ce qu'il mange.<br />
* Rajoutons de la '''biodiversité''' en ville ! '''Réapproprions nous l'espace public''' !<br />
* '''Autosuffisance alimentaire des villes'''... on en parle, mais finalement, est-ce que c'est possible ? Si on essaie pas un tout petit peu, c'est sur qu'on pourra pas voir beaucoup de changement !<br />
* Marre de voir des pensées (les fleurs) moches dans les bacs prévus pour, toutes bien alignées et qui changent toutes les 3 semaines ! Si on faisait autre chose ?<br />
* Peut-être qu'on pourrait faire deux choses différentes ? Planter des fleurs un peu partout où elles pourraient pousser et des légumes dans des endroits un peu plus abrités, pour un suivi plus régulier jusqu'à '''la récolte''', et peut être même pouvoir les manger ?<br />
* Pas de cadre trop défini pour cette action, il faut qu'on reste '''le plus souple possible''', comme ça, tout le monde s'implique comme il veut, et tout le monde est content<br />
* Initiation au '''jardinage de manière collective et ludique'''<br />
* Avant, tout le monde avait un jardin. La ville ne nous permet plus de disposer de cet espace. Et si on se le réappropriait de manière citoyenne ? Si on recréait des sols ? Idée : liner de piscine + feuilles mortes suffisent pour faire pousser des fraises des bois.<br />
* Côté '''éducation / citoyenneté''' pour que les enfants arrêtent de croire que les patates poussent sur les arbres et que les tomates se déterrent en hiver !<br />
* '''Gratuité''' dans l'espace public ! '''Interpellons les passants''' en nous baladant avec des '''arrosoirs''' et des binettes !<br />
* Des légumes font de super fleurs, pensons aux topinambours !<br />
* Lancer des graines sur des chantiers par exemple peut être un bon moyen de lutter contre l'ambroisie.<br />
* Idée ! Si on faisait des '''pochoirs en forme de carottes''' ou autre pour remplacer les fleurs à l'entrée des villes par des légumes ?<br />
* Plantons par quartier. Organisons nous en '''petits groupes locaux''' pour planter vers chez nous. C'est plus sympa de le faire à plusieurs, mais c'est aussi plus sympa quand c'est en bas de chez nous ! On peut préparer les semis et les bouquets volants ensemble et ensuite, répartissons-nous géographiquement !<br />
* Pourquoi ne pas faire une '''carte''' des lieux disponibles et repérés pour que l'on sache où mettre nos petites graines ,<br />
* On peut aussi faire des '''tontines''' pour mettre les plants en hauteur et qu'ils soient moins touchés par la pollution urbaine<br />
* En ville, tout est si bien organisé. Mais pourtant, ce qu'on veut, ce ne sont pas forcément des arbres et des parterres bien alignés. La nature à l'état "'''sauvage'''" n'est pas si présente autour de nous. Amenons-la, elle se débrouillera bien sans nous une fois qu'on aura lancé le truc !<br />
* Les pigeons c'est bien, mais peut-être qu'il pourrait y avoir d'autres espèces d'oiseaux ? Si on plantait des '''céréales''', ça pourrait par exemple attirer des '''passereaux''' ?<br />
* Jardiner ensemble est un bon moyen de '''partager l'expérience''', les bons coins, les bonnes graines...<br />
* L''''art potager''' pourrait peut-être remplacer les discussions autour des crottes de chien et les tags pendant les conseils de quartier ? Ce serait là l'occasion de faire tourner la discussion autour de sujets positifs !<br />
* Le chantier du musée de la confluence est à l'arrêt pour le moment. Si on en profitait pour le recouvrir de fleurs ?<br />
* '''Spontanéité, légèreté''' doivent être les cadres de cette action...<br />
* Les robins des graines sont une action complémentaire des jardins partagés. Ils peuvent d'ailleurs s'aider mutuellement, en se prêtant outils, semences ou autre !<br />
* Éveiller les sens, mais TOUS les sens !! Si les plantes dans la ville, c'est joli, on peut aussi faire en sorte que '''ça sente bon''' quand on passe. Alors plantons des herbes qui fleurent bon et aromatisons nos quartiers !<br />
<br />
==Conclusion==<br />
Qu'est ce qu'on a accompli?<br />
<br />
*Défini le concept un peu plus avant (c'était vague-de-chez-vague avant)<br />
*Défini des dates et une action pour la prochaine rencontre<br />
*Posé les jalons du cadre d'organisation<br />
*Défini les sources de graines<br />
*Gouté une délicieuse tarte aux pommes<br />
<br />
[[Category:Robins_des_Graines]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Petit_compte-rendu_informel_de_tout_ce_qu%27on_s%27est_dit_Mardi_9_F%C3%A9vrier&diff=1995Petit compte-rendu informel de tout ce qu'on s'est dit Mardi 9 Février2010-02-11T15:51:54Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
<hr />
<div>Pour commencer, merci à Silence qui nous a gentiment accueillis !! 30 personnes autour d'une table, ça fait du monde. Il va y en avoir des graines plantées un peu partout !!!<br />
<br />
En plus, étaient présents pleins d'assos représentées à titre perso (ou non?) par des personnes motivées et volontaires : les compostiers, la maison de l'écologie, Silence, Passe Jardins, Pentes Vertes, l'Altertour, le Jardin du Loup (ou Vaise de Loup), et certainement d'autres !<br />
<br />
Après une petite présentation de ce pour quoi on est là, à savoir verdir notre ville, on est rapidement passé à un tour de table pour que chacun exprime ses envies / idées / attentes par rapport au projet. Plutôt des fleurs ? Des légumes ? Dans des parterres ? Des friches ? Quelle organisation pour le groupe ? Besoin de cadre ou pas trop ou pas du tout ?<br />
<br />
Après ça, on s'est dit qu'il fallait de l''''action'''. Bon, oui, mais pour ça, il nous faut au moins des graines. Et ça tombe bien, Benoît nous en propose plein ! Chouette ! Merci Benoît ! Et pour le compost ? A voir avec les jardins qui en ont aussi besoin mais a priori, les compostiers peuvent fournir le compost nécessaire à nos actions ! Reste à trouver les outils (et une baignoire ?!??) et deux trois autres choses mais je suis sure qu'on saura tous ramener un petit truc au prochain atelier de fabrication de bouquets volants.<br />
<br />
En plus de ça, Julien propose de créer le wiki du groupe pour que chacun puisse y ajouter des informations et qu'on participe collectivement à la construction du projet sur informatique aussi bien que dans la rue. On a aussi des volontaires pour le graphisme. Et silence propose d'imprimer quelques flyers si besoin pour faire connaître nos actions, notamment au salon Primevère. Que demander de plus ?<br />
<br />
Ben une date pardi ! Et vu qu'on est plein, on va même en choisir deux !!!<br />
Ce sera donc .........<br />
<br />
# '''Mardi 16 Mars de 19h à 22h''' (on arrive quand on veut, on repart quand on veut, youpi !). où ça ? Chez les compostiers ou à Silence ?<br />
# '''Samedi 27 Mars''' parce que : c'est la fête des semis du réseau des jardins partagés et c'est aussi le marché des plantes rares à St-Priest.<br />
<br />
Du coup, lieux à définir bientôt...<br />
Dans les autres dates à retenir dès à présent, on note la grande fête de la plantation à la Guill', le 8 mai. Et surtout Primevère qui aura lieu les 26 / 27 / 28 février. A cette occasion, Semons la biodiversité organise un '''troc de graines le samedi à 11h'''. L'occasion de venir échanger ou récupérer de petites graines que nous pourront voir grandir.<br />
<br />
Pour rajouter des éléments, faire des commentaires, ou dire ce qui peut marcher bien ou moins bien, un groupe google a été créé : http://groups.google.fr/group/robins-des-graines<br />
Je vous envoie une invit' par mail. Ca fera deux mails d'un coup, mais après promis, vous ne recevrez plus 36000 infos tous les jours !<br />
<br />
Voici pelle-mêle (ahah) les interrogations, exclamations, explications sur le pourquoi du comment de la présence de chacun :<br />
<br />
* objectif : se faire plaisir !<br />
* pour ne pas être en concurrence avec la ville, il faut planter les endroits délaissés par les jardiniers municipaux : autour d'arbres, de poteaux, goutières...<br />
* Si on plante des légumes, est-ce qu'on va pouvoir les manger même si des chiens font caca dessus et que les pots d'échappement échappent pleins de trucs pas bons dessus ? Plus sérieusement se pose la réelle question de la '''comestibilité des légumes''' plantés dans ce type d'espace urbain. Des recherches doivent déjà être effectuées, il faudrait en trouver les résultats et les communiquer pour que chacun soit au courant de ce qu'il mange.<br />
* Rajoutons de la '''biodiversité''' en ville ! '''Réapproprions nous l'espace public''' !<br />
* '''Autosuffisance alimentaire des villes'''... on en parle, mais finalement, est-ce que c'est possible ? Si on essaie pas un tout petit peu, c'est sur qu'on pourra pas voir beaucoup de changement !<br />
* Marre de voir des pensées (les fleurs) moches dans les bacs prévus pour, toutes bien alignées et qui changent toutes les 3 semaines ! Si on faisait autre chose ?<br />
* Peut-être qu'on pourrait faire deux choses différentes ? Planter des fleurs un peu partout où elles pourraient pousser et des légumes dans des endroits un peu plus abrités, pour un suivi plus régulier jusqu'à '''la récolte''', et peut être même pouvoir les manger ?<br />
* Pas de cadre trop défini pour cette action, il faut qu'on reste '''le plus souple possible''', comme ça, tout le monde s'implique comme il veut, et tout le monde est content<br />
* Initiation au '''jardinage de manière collective et ludique'''<br />
* Avant, tout le monde avait un jardin. La ville ne nous permet plus de disposer de cet espace. Et si on se le réappropriait de manière citoyenne ? Si on recréait des sols ? Idée : liner de piscine + feuilles mortes suffisent pour faire pousser des fraises des bois.<br />
* Côté '''éducation / citoyenneté''' pour que les enfants arrêtent de croire que les patates poussent sur les arbres et que les tomates se déterrent en hiver !<br />
* '''Gratuité''' dans l'espace public ! '''Interpellons les passants''' en nous baladant avec des '''arrosoirs''' et des binettes !<br />
* Des légumes font de super fleurs, pensons aux topinambours !<br />
* Lancer des graines sur des chantiers par exemple peut être un bon moyen de lutter contre l'ambroisie.<br />
* Idée ! Si on faisait des '''pochoirs en forme de carottes''' ou autre pour remplacer les fleurs à l'entrée des villes par des légumes ?<br />
* Plantons par quartier. Organisons nous en '''petits groupes locaux''' pour planter vers chez nous. C'est plus sympa de le faire à plusieurs, mais c'est aussi plus sympa quand c'est en bas de chez nous ! On peut préparer les semis et les bouquets volants ensemble et ensuite, répartissons-nous géographiquement !<br />
* Pourquoi ne pas faire une '''carte''' des lieux disponibles et repérés pour que l'on sache où mettre nos petites graines ,<br />
* On peut aussi faire des '''tontines''' pour mettre les plants en hauteur et qu'ils soient moins touchés par la pollution urbaine<br />
* En ville, tout est si bien organisé. Mais pourtant, ce qu'on veut, ce ne sont pas forcément des arbres et des parterres bien alignés. La nature à l'état "'''sauvage'''" n'est pas si présente autour de nous. Amenons-la, elle se débrouillera bien sans nous une fois qu'on aura lancé le truc !<br />
* Les pigeons c'est bien, mais peut-être qu'il pourrait y avoir d'autres espèces d'oiseaux ? Si on plantait des '''céréales''', ça pourrait par exemple attirer des '''passereaux''' ?<br />
* Jardiner ensemble est un bon moyen de '''partager l'expérience''', les bons coins, les bonnes graines...<br />
* L''''art potager''' pourrait peut-être remplacer les discussions autour des crottes de chien et les tags pendant les conseils de quartier ? Ce serait là l'occasion de faire tourner la discussion autour de sujets positifs !<br />
* Le chantier du musée de la confluence est à l'arrêt pour le moment. Si on en profitait pour le recouvrir de fleurs ?<br />
* '''Spontanéité, légèreté''' doivent être les cadres de cette action...<br />
* Les robins des graines sont une action complémentaire des jardins partagés. Ils peuvent d'ailleurs s'aider mutuellement, en se prêtant outils, semences ou autre !<br />
* Éveiller les sens, mais TOUS les sens !! Si les plantes dans la ville, c'est joli, on peut aussi faire en sorte que '''ça sente bon''' quand on passe. Alors plantons des herbes qui fleurent bon et aromatisons nos quartiers !<br />
<br />
[[Category:Robins_des_Graines]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Petit_compte-rendu_informel_de_tout_ce_qu%27on_s%27est_dit_Mardi_9_F%C3%A9vrier&diff=1994Petit compte-rendu informel de tout ce qu'on s'est dit Mardi 9 Février2010-02-11T15:45:42Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
<hr />
<div>Pour commencer, merci à Silence qui nous a gentiment accueillis !! 30 personnes autour d'une table, ça fait du monde. Il va y en avoir des graines plantées un peu partout !!!<br />
<br />
En plus, étaient présents pleins d'assos représentées à titre perso (ou non?) par des personnes motivées et volontaires : les compostiers, la maison de l'écologie, Silence, Passe Jardins, Pentes Vertes, l'Altertour, le Jardin du Loup (ou Vaise de Loup), et certainement d'autres !<br />
<br />
Après une petite présentation de ce pour quoi on est là, à savoir verdir notre ville, on est rapidement passé à un tour de table pour que chacun exprime ses envies / idées / attentes par rapport au projet. Plutôt des fleurs ? Des légumes ? Dans des parterres ? Des friches ? Quelle organisation pour le groupe ? Besoin de cadre ou pas trop ou pas du tout ?<br />
<br />
Après ça, on s'est dit qu'il fallait de l'action. Bon, oui, mais pour ça, il nous faut au moins des graines. Et ça tombe bien, Benoît nous en propose plein ! Chouette ! Merci Benoît ! Et pour le compost ? A voir avec les jardins qui en ont aussi besoin mais a priori, les compostiers peuvent fournir le compost nécessaire à nos actions ! Reste à trouver les outils (et une baignoire ?!??) et deux trois autres choses mais je suis sure qu'on saura tous ramener un petit truc au prochain atelier de fabrication de bouquets volants.<br />
<br />
En plus de ça, Julien propose de créer le wiki du groupe pour que chacun puisse y ajouter des informations et qu'on participe collectivement à la construction du projet sur informatique aussi bien que dans la rue. On a aussi des volontaires pour le graphisme. Et silence propose d'imprimer quelques flyers si besoin pour faire connaître nos actions, notamment au salon Primevère. Que demander de plus ?<br />
<br />
Ben une date pardi ! Et vu qu'on est plein, on va même en choisir deux !!!<br />
Ce sera donc .........<br />
<br />
* Mardi 16 Mars de 19h à 22h (on arrive quand on veut, on repart quand on veut, youpi !). où ça ? Chez les compostiers ou à Silence ?<br />
* Samedi 27 Mars parce que : c'est la fête des semis du réseau des jardins partagés et c'est aussi le marché des plantes rares à St-Priest.<br />
<br />
Du coup, lieux à définir bientôt...<br />
Dans les autres dates à retenir dès à présent, on note la grande fête de la plantation à la Guill', le 8 mai. Et surtout Primevère qui aura lieu les 26 / 27 / 28 février. A cette occasion, Semons la biodiversité organise un troc de graines le samedi à 11h. L'occasion de venir échanger ou récupérer de petites graines que nous pourront voir grandir.<br />
<br />
Pour rajouter des éléments, faire des commentaires, ou dire ce qui peut marcher bien ou moins bien, un groupe google a été créé : http://groups.google.fr/group/robins-des-graines<br />
Je vous envoie une invit' par mail. Ca fera deux mails d'un coup, mais après promis, vous ne recevrez plus 36000 infos tous les jours !<br />
<br />
Voici pelle-mêle (ahah) les interrogations, exclamations, explications sur le pourquoi du comment de la présence de chacun :<br />
<br />
* objectif : se faire plaisir !<br />
* pour ne pas être en concurrence avec la ville, il faut planter les endroits délaissés par les jardiniers municipaux : autour d'arbres, de poteaux, goutières...<br />
* Si on plante des légumes, est-ce qu'on va pouvoir les manger même si des chiens font caca dessus et que les pots d'échappement échappent pleins de trucs pas bons dessus ? Plus sérieusement se pose la réelle question de la comestibilité des légumes plantés dans ce type d'espace urbain. Des recherches doivent déjà être effectuées, il faudrait en trouver les résultats et les communiquer pour que chacun soit au courant de ce qu'il mange.<br />
* Rajoutons de la biodiversité en ville ! Réapproprions nous l'espace public !<br />
* Autosuffisance alimentaire des villes... on en parle, mais finalement, est-ce que c'est possible ? Si on essaie pas un tout petit peu, c'est sur qu'on pourra pas voir beaucoup de changement !<br />
* Marre de voir des pensées (les fleurs) moches dans les bacs prévus pour, toutes bien alignées et qui changent toutes les 3 semaines ! Si on faisait autre chose ?<br />
* Peut-être qu'on pourrait faire deux choses différentes ? Planter des fleurs un peu partout où elles pourraient pousser et des légumes dans des endroits un peu plus abrités, pour un suivi plus régulier jusqu'à la récolte, et peut être même pouvoir les manger ?<br />
* Pas de cadre trop défini pour cette action, il faut qu'on reste le plus souple possible, comme ça, tout le monde s'implique comme il veut, et tout le monde est content<br />
* Initiation au jardinage de manière collective et ludique<br />
* Avant, tout le monde avait un jardin. La ville ne nous permet plus de disposer de cet espace. Et si on se le réappropriait de manière citoyenne ? Si on recréait des sols ? Idée : liner de piscine + feuilles mortes suffisent pour faire pousser des fraises des bois.<br />
* Côté éducation / citoyenneté pour que les enfants arrêtent de croire que les patates poussent sur les arbres et que les tomates se déterrent en hiver !<br />
* Gratuité dans l'espace public ! Interpellons les passants en nous baladant avec des arrosoirs et des binettes !<br />
* Des légumes font de super fleurs, pensons aux topinambours !<br />
* Lancer des graines sur des chantiers par exemple peut être un bon moyen de lutter contre l'ambroisie.<br />
* Idée ! Si on faisait des pochoirs en forme de carottes ou autre pour remplacer les fleurs à l'entrée des villes par des légumes ?<br />
* Plantons par quartier. Organisons nous en petits groupes locaux pour planter vers chez nous. C'est plus sympa de le faire à plusieurs, mais c'est aussi plus sympa quand c'est en bas de chez nous ! On peut préparer les semis et les bouquets volants ensemble et ensuite, répartissons-nous géographiquement !<br />
* Pourquoi ne pas faire une carte des lieux disponibles et repérés pour que l'on sache où mettre nos petites graines ,<br />
* On peut aussi faire des tontines pour mettre les plants en hauteur et qu'ils soient moins touchés par la pollution urbaine<br />
* En ville, tout est si bien organisé. Mais pourtant, ce qu'on veut, ce ne sont pas forcément des arbres et des parterres bien alignés. La nature à l'état "sauvage" n'est pas si présente autour de nous. Amenons-la, elle se débrouillera bien sans nous une fois qu'on aura lancé le truc !<br />
* Les pigeons c'est bien, mais peut-être qu'il pourrait y avoir d'autres espèces d'oiseaux ? Si on plantait des céréales, ça pourrait par exemple attirer des passereaux ?<br />
* Jardiner ensemble est un bon moyen de partager l'expérience, les bons coins, les bonnes graines...<br />
* L'art potager pourrait peut-être remplacer les discussions autour des crottes de chien et les tags pendant les conseils de quartier ? Ce serait là l'occasion de faire tourner la discussion autour de sujets positifs !<br />
* Le chantier du musée de la confluence est à l'arrêt pour le moment. Si on en profitait pour le recouvrir de fleurs ?<br />
* Spontanéité, légèreté doivent être les cadres de cette action...<br />
* Les robins des graines sont une action complémentaire des jardins partagés. Ils peuvent d'ailleurs s'aider mutuellement, en se prêtant outils, semences ou autre !<br />
* Éveiller les sens, mais TOUS les sens !! Si les plantes dans la ville, c'est joli, on peut aussi faire en sorte que ça sente bon quand on passe. Alors plantons des herbes qui fleurent bon et aromatisons nos quartiers !<br />
<br />
[[Category:Robins_des_Graines]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Petit_compte-rendu_informel_de_tout_ce_qu%27on_s%27est_dit_Mardi_9_F%C3%A9vrier&diff=1993Petit compte-rendu informel de tout ce qu'on s'est dit Mardi 9 Février2010-02-11T15:25:11Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
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<div>Pour commencer, merci à Silence qui nous a gentiment accueillis !! 30 personnes autour d'une table, ça fait du monde. Il va y en avoir des graines plantées un peu partout !!!<br />
<br />
En plus, étaient présents pleins d'assos représentées à titre perso (ou non?) par des personnes motivées et volontaires : les compostiers, la maison de l'écologie, Silence, Passe Jardins, Pentes Vertes, l'Altertour, le Jardin du Loup (ou Vaise de Loup), et certainement d'autres !<br />
<br />
Après une petite présentation de ce pour quoi on est là, à savoir verdir notre ville, on est rapidement passé à un tour de table pour que chacun exprime ses envies / idées / attentes par rapport au projet. Plutôt des fleurs ? Des légumes ? Dans des parterres ? Des friches ? Quelle organisation pour le groupe ? Besoin de cadre ou pas trop ou pas du tout ?<br />
<br />
Après ça, on s'est dit qu'il fallait de l'action. Bon, oui, mais pour ça, il nous faut au moins des graines. Et ça tombe bien, Benoît nous en propose pleins ! Chouette ! Merci Benoît ! Et pour le compost ? A voir avec les jardins qui en ont aussi besoin mais a priori, les compostiers peuvent fournir le compost nécessaire à nos actions ! Restent à trouver les outils (et une baignoire ?!??) et deux trois autres choses mais je suis sure qu'on saura tous ramener un petit truc au prochain atelier de fabrication de bouquets volants.<br />
En plus de ça, Julien propose de créer le wiki du groupe pour que chacun puisse y ajouter des informations et qu'on participe collectivement à la construction du projet sur informatique aussi bien que dans la rue. On a aussi des volontaires pour le graphisme. Et silence propose d'imprimer quelques flyers si besoin pour faire connaître nos actions, notamment au salon Primevère. Que demander de plus !?!<br />
<br />
Ben une date pardi ! Et vu qu'on est pleins, on va même en choisir deux !!!<br />
Ce sera donc .........<br />
<br />
* Mardi 16 Mars de 19h à 22h (on arrive quand on veut, on repart quand on veut, youpi !). où ça ? Chez les compostiers ou à Silence ?<br />
* Samedi 27 Mars parce que : c'est la fête des semis du réseau des jardins partagés et c'est aussi le marché des plantes rares à St-Priest.<br />
<br />
Du coup, lieux à définir bientôt...<br />
Dans les autres dates à retenir dès à présent, on note la grande fête de la plantation à la Guill', le 8 mai. Et surtout Primevère qui aura lieu les 26 / 27 / 28 février. A cette occasion, Semons la biodiversité organise un troc de graines le samedi à 11h. L'occasion de venir échanger ou récupérer de petites graines que nous pourront voir grandir.<br />
<br />
Pour rajouter des éléments, faire des commentaires, ou dire ce qui peut marcher bien ou moins bien, un groupe google a été créé : http://groups.google.fr/group/robins-des-graines<br />
Je vous envoie une invit' par mail. Ca fera deux mails d'un coup, mais après promis, vous ne recevrez plus 36000 infos tous les jours !<br />
<br />
Voici pelles-mêle (ahah) les interrogations, exclamations, explications sur le pourquoi du comment de la présence de chacun :<br />
- objectif : se faire plaisir !<br />
- pour ne pas être en concurrence avec la ville, il faut planter les endroits délaissés par les jardiniers municipaux : autour d'arbres, de poteaux, goutières...<br />
- Si on plante des légumes, est-ce qu'on va pouvoir les manger même si des chiens font caca dessus et que les pots d'échappement échappent pleins de trucs pas bons dessus ? Plus sérieusement se pose la réelle question de la comestibilité des légumes plantés dans ce type d'espace urbain. Des recherches doivent déjà être effectuées, il faudrait en trouver les résultats et les communiquer pour que chacun soit au courant de ce qu'il mange.<br />
- Rajoutons de la biodiversité en ville ! Réapproprions nous l'espace public !<br />
- Autosuffisance alimentaire des villes... on en parle, mais finalement, est-ce que c'est possible ? Si on essaie pas un tout petit peu, c'est sur qu'on pourra pas voir beaucoup de changement !<br />
- Marre de voir des pensées moches dans les bacs prévus pour, toutes bien alignées et qui changent toutes les 3 semaines ! Si on faisait autre chose ?<br />
- Peut-être qu'on pourrait faire deux choses différentes ? Planter des fleurs un peu partout où elles pourraient pousser et des légumes dans des endroits un peu plus abrités, pour un suivi plus régulier jusqu'à la récolte, et peut être même pouvoir les manger ?<br />
- Pas de cadre trop défini pour cette action, il faut qu'on reste le plus souple possible, comme ça, tout le monde s'implique comme il veut, et tout le monde est content<br />
- Initiation au jardinage de manière collective et ludique<br />
- Avant, tout le monde avait un jardin. La ville ne nous permet plus de disposer de cet espace. Et si on se le réappropriait de manière citoyenne ? Si on recréait des sols ? Idée : liner de piscine + feuilles mortes suffisent pour faire pousser des fraises des bois.<br />
- Côté éducation / citoyenneté pour que les enfants arrêtent de croire que les patates poussent sur les arbres et que les tomates se déterrent en hiver !<br />
- Gratuité dans l'espace public ! Interpellons les passants en nous baladant avec des arrosoirs et des binettes !<br />
- Des légumes font de supers fleurs, pensons aux topinambours !<br />
- Lancer des graines sur des chantiers par exemple peut être un bon moyen de lutter contre l'ambroisie.<br />
- Idée ! Si on faisait des pochoirs en forme de carottes ou autre pour remplacer les fleurs à l'entrée des villes par des légumes ?<br />
- Plantons par quartier. Organisons nous en petits groupes locaux pour planter vers chez nous. C'est plus sympa de le faire à plusieurs, mais c'est aussi plus sympa quand c'est en bas de chez nous ! On peut préparer les semis et les bouquets volants ensemble et ensuite, répartissons-nous géographiquement !<br />
- Pourquoi ne pas faire une carte des lieux disponibles et repérés pour que l'on sache où mettre nos petites graines ,<br />
- On peut aussi faire des tontines pour mettre les plants en hauteur et qu'ils soient moins touchés par la pollution urbaine<br />
- En ville, tout est si bien organisé. Mais pourtant, ce qu'on veut, ce ne sont pas forcément des arbres et des parterres bien alignés. La nature à l'état "sauvage" n'est pas si présente autour de nous. Amenons-la, elle se débrouillera bien sans nous une fois qu'on aura lancé le truc !<br />
- Les pigeons c'est bien, mais peut-être qu'il pourrait y avoir d'autres espèces d'oiseaux ? Si on plantait des céréales, ça pourrait par exemple attirer des passereaux ?<br />
- Jardiner ensemble est un bon moyen de partager l'expérience, les bons coins, les bonnes graines...<br />
- L'art potager pourrait peut-être remplacer les discussions autour des crottes de chien et les tags pendant les conseils de quartier ? Ce serait là l'occasion de faire tourner la discussion autour de sujets positifs !<br />
- Le chantier du musée de la confluence est à l'arrêt pour le moment. Si on en profitait pour le recouvrir de fleurs ?<br />
- Spontanéité, légèreté doivent être les cadres de cette action...<br />
- Les robins des graines sont une action complémentaire des jardins partagés. Ils peuvent d'ailleurs s'aider mutuellement, en se prêtant outils, semences ou autre !<br />
- Eveiller les sens, mais TOUS les sens !! Si les plantes dans la ville, c'est joli, on peut aussi faire en sorte que ça sente bon quand on passe. Alors plantons des herbes qui fleurent bon et aromatiquons nos quartiers !<br />
<br />
[[Category:Robins_des_Graines]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Petit_compte-rendu_informel_de_tout_ce_qu%27on_s%27est_dit_Mardi_9_F%C3%A9vrier&diff=1992Petit compte-rendu informel de tout ce qu'on s'est dit Mardi 9 Février2010-02-11T15:24:50Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
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<div>Pour commencer, merci à Silence qui nous a gentiment accueillis !! 30 personnes autour d'une table, ça fait du monde. Il va y en avoir des graines plantées un peu partout !!!<br />
<br />
En plus, étaient présents pleins d'assos représentées à titre perso (ou non?) par des personnes motivées et volontaires : les compostiers, la maison de l'écologie, Silence, Passe Jardins, Pentes Vertes, l'Altertour, le Jardin du Loup (ou Vaise de Loup), et certainement d'autres !<br />
<br />
Après une petite présentation de ce pour quoi on est là, à savoir verdir notre ville, on est rapidement passé à un tour de table pour que chacun exprime ses envies / idées / attentes par rapport au projet. Plutôt des fleurs ? Des légumes ? Dans des parterres ? Des friches ? Quelle organisation pour le groupe ? Besoin de cadre ou pas trop ou pas du tout ?<br />
<br />
VIVE MONSANTO! A MORT LE BIO, VIVE LES OGMs !!!!<br />
<br />
Après ça, on s'est dit qu'il fallait de l'action. Bon, oui, mais pour ça, il nous faut au moins des graines. Et ça tombe bien, Benoît nous en propose pleins ! Chouette ! Merci Benoît ! Et pour le compost ? A voir avec les jardins qui en ont aussi besoin mais a priori, les compostiers peuvent fournir le compost nécessaire à nos actions ! Restent à trouver les outils (et une baignoire ?!??) et deux trois autres choses mais je suis sure qu'on saura tous ramener un petit truc au prochain atelier de fabrication de bouquets volants.<br />
En plus de ça, Julien propose de créer le wiki du groupe pour que chacun puisse y ajouter des informations et qu'on participe collectivement à la construction du projet sur informatique aussi bien que dans la rue. On a aussi des volontaires pour le graphisme. Et silence propose d'imprimer quelques flyers si besoin pour faire connaître nos actions, notamment au salon Primevère. Que demander de plus !?!<br />
<br />
Ben une date pardi ! Et vu qu'on est pleins, on va même en choisir deux !!!<br />
Ce sera donc .........<br />
<br />
* Mardi 16 Mars de 19h à 22h (on arrive quand on veut, on repart quand on veut, youpi !). où ça ? Chez les compostiers ou à Silence ?<br />
* Samedi 27 Mars parce que : c'est la fête des semis du réseau des jardins partagés et c'est aussi le marché des plantes rares à St-Priest.<br />
<br />
Du coup, lieux à définir bientôt...<br />
Dans les autres dates à retenir dès à présent, on note la grande fête de la plantation à la Guill', le 8 mai. Et surtout Primevère qui aura lieu les 26 / 27 / 28 février. A cette occasion, Semons la biodiversité organise un troc de graines le samedi à 11h. L'occasion de venir échanger ou récupérer de petites graines que nous pourront voir grandir.<br />
<br />
Pour rajouter des éléments, faire des commentaires, ou dire ce qui peut marcher bien ou moins bien, un groupe google a été créé : http://groups.google.fr/group/robins-des-graines<br />
Je vous envoie une invit' par mail. Ca fera deux mails d'un coup, mais après promis, vous ne recevrez plus 36000 infos tous les jours !<br />
<br />
Voici pelles-mêle (ahah) les interrogations, exclamations, explications sur le pourquoi du comment de la présence de chacun :<br />
- objectif : se faire plaisir !<br />
- pour ne pas être en concurrence avec la ville, il faut planter les endroits délaissés par les jardiniers municipaux : autour d'arbres, de poteaux, goutières...<br />
- Si on plante des légumes, est-ce qu'on va pouvoir les manger même si des chiens font caca dessus et que les pots d'échappement échappent pleins de trucs pas bons dessus ? Plus sérieusement se pose la réelle question de la comestibilité des légumes plantés dans ce type d'espace urbain. Des recherches doivent déjà être effectuées, il faudrait en trouver les résultats et les communiquer pour que chacun soit au courant de ce qu'il mange.<br />
- Rajoutons de la biodiversité en ville ! Réapproprions nous l'espace public !<br />
- Autosuffisance alimentaire des villes... on en parle, mais finalement, est-ce que c'est possible ? Si on essaie pas un tout petit peu, c'est sur qu'on pourra pas voir beaucoup de changement !<br />
- Marre de voir des pensées moches dans les bacs prévus pour, toutes bien alignées et qui changent toutes les 3 semaines ! Si on faisait autre chose ?<br />
- Peut-être qu'on pourrait faire deux choses différentes ? Planter des fleurs un peu partout où elles pourraient pousser et des légumes dans des endroits un peu plus abrités, pour un suivi plus régulier jusqu'à la récolte, et peut être même pouvoir les manger ?<br />
- Pas de cadre trop défini pour cette action, il faut qu'on reste le plus souple possible, comme ça, tout le monde s'implique comme il veut, et tout le monde est content<br />
- Initiation au jardinage de manière collective et ludique<br />
- Avant, tout le monde avait un jardin. La ville ne nous permet plus de disposer de cet espace. Et si on se le réappropriait de manière citoyenne ? Si on recréait des sols ? Idée : liner de piscine + feuilles mortes suffisent pour faire pousser des fraises des bois.<br />
- Côté éducation / citoyenneté pour que les enfants arrêtent de croire que les patates poussent sur les arbres et que les tomates se déterrent en hiver !<br />
- Gratuité dans l'espace public ! Interpellons les passants en nous baladant avec des arrosoirs et des binettes !<br />
- Des légumes font de supers fleurs, pensons aux topinambours !<br />
- Lancer des graines sur des chantiers par exemple peut être un bon moyen de lutter contre l'ambroisie.<br />
- Idée ! Si on faisait des pochoirs en forme de carottes ou autre pour remplacer les fleurs à l'entrée des villes par des légumes ?<br />
- Plantons par quartier. Organisons nous en petits groupes locaux pour planter vers chez nous. C'est plus sympa de le faire à plusieurs, mais c'est aussi plus sympa quand c'est en bas de chez nous ! On peut préparer les semis et les bouquets volants ensemble et ensuite, répartissons-nous géographiquement !<br />
- Pourquoi ne pas faire une carte des lieux disponibles et repérés pour que l'on sache où mettre nos petites graines ,<br />
- On peut aussi faire des tontines pour mettre les plants en hauteur et qu'ils soient moins touchés par la pollution urbaine<br />
- En ville, tout est si bien organisé. Mais pourtant, ce qu'on veut, ce ne sont pas forcément des arbres et des parterres bien alignés. La nature à l'état "sauvage" n'est pas si présente autour de nous. Amenons-la, elle se débrouillera bien sans nous une fois qu'on aura lancé le truc !<br />
- Les pigeons c'est bien, mais peut-être qu'il pourrait y avoir d'autres espèces d'oiseaux ? Si on plantait des céréales, ça pourrait par exemple attirer des passereaux ?<br />
- Jardiner ensemble est un bon moyen de partager l'expérience, les bons coins, les bonnes graines...<br />
- L'art potager pourrait peut-être remplacer les discussions autour des crottes de chien et les tags pendant les conseils de quartier ? Ce serait là l'occasion de faire tourner la discussion autour de sujets positifs !<br />
- Le chantier du musée de la confluence est à l'arrêt pour le moment. Si on en profitait pour le recouvrir de fleurs ?<br />
- Spontanéité, légèreté doivent être les cadres de cette action...<br />
- Les robins des graines sont une action complémentaire des jardins partagés. Ils peuvent d'ailleurs s'aider mutuellement, en se prêtant outils, semences ou autre !<br />
- Eveiller les sens, mais TOUS les sens !! Si les plantes dans la ville, c'est joli, on peut aussi faire en sorte que ça sente bon quand on passe. Alors plantons des herbes qui fleurent bon et aromatiquons nos quartiers !<br />
<br />
[[Category:Robins_des_Graines]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Petit_compte-rendu_informel_de_tout_ce_qu%27on_s%27est_dit_Mardi_9_F%C3%A9vrier&diff=1991Petit compte-rendu informel de tout ce qu'on s'est dit Mardi 9 Février2010-02-11T15:19:15Z<p>Sitarane: New page: Pour commencer, merci à Silence qui nous a gentiment accueillis !! 30 personnes autour d'une table, ça fait du monde. Il va y en avoir des graines plantées un peu partout !!! En plus, ...</p>
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<div>Pour commencer, merci à Silence qui nous a gentiment accueillis !! 30 personnes autour d'une table, ça fait du monde. Il va y en avoir des graines plantées un peu partout !!!<br />
<br />
En plus, étaient présents pleins d'assos représentées à titre perso (ou non?) par des personnes motivées et volontaires : les compostiers, la maison de l'écologie, Silence, Passe Jardins, Pentes Vertes, l'Altertour, le Jardin du Loup (ou Vaise de Loup), et certainement d'autres !<br />
<br />
Après une petite présentation de ce pour quoi on est là, à savoir verdir notre ville, on est rapidement passé à un tour de table pour que chacun exprime ses envies / idées / attentes par rapport au projet. Plutôt des fleurs ? Des légumes ? Dans des parterres ? Des friches ? Quelle organisation pour le groupe ? Besoin de cadre ou pas trop ou pas du tout ?<br />
<br />
Après ça, on s'est dit qu'il fallait de l'action. Bon, oui, mais pour ça, il nous faut au moins des graines. Et ça tombe bien, Benoît nous en propose pleins ! Chouette ! Merci Benoît ! Et pour le compost ? A voir avec les jardins qui en ont aussi besoin mais a priori, les compostiers peuvent fournir le compost nécessaire à nos actions ! Restent à trouver les outils (et une baignoire ?!??) et deux trois autres choses mais je suis sure qu'on saura tous ramener un petit truc au prochain atelier de fabrication de bouquets volants.<br />
En plus de ça, Julien propose de créer le wiki du groupe pour que chacun puisse y ajouter des informations et qu'on participe collectivement à la construction du projet sur informatique aussi bien que dans la rue. On a aussi des volontaires pour le graphisme. Et silence propose d'imprimer quelques flyers si besoin pour faire connaître nos actions, notamment au salon Primevère. Que demander de plus !?!<br />
<br />
Ben une date pardi ! Et vu qu'on est pleins, on va même en choisir deux !!!<br />
Ce sera donc .........<br />
<br />
* Mardi 16 Mars de 19h à 22h (on arrive quand on veut, on repart quand on veut, youpi !). où ça ? Chez les compostiers ou à Silence ?<br />
* Samedi 27 Mars parce que : c'est la fête des semis du réseau des jardins partagés et c'est aussi le marché des plantes rares à St-Priest.<br />
<br />
Du coup, lieux à définir bientôt...<br />
Dans les autres dates à retenir dès à présent, on note la grande fête de la plantation à la Guill', le 8 mai. Et surtout Primevère qui aura lieu les 26 / 27 / 28 février. A cette occasion, Semons la biodiversité organise un troc de graines le samedi à 11h. L'occasion de venir échanger ou récupérer de petites graines que nous pourront voir grandir.<br />
<br />
Pour rajouter des éléments, faire des commentaires, ou dire ce qui peut marcher bien ou moins bien, un groupe google a été créé : http://groups.google.fr/group/robins-des-graines<br />
Je vous envoie une invit' par mail. Ca fera deux mails d'un coup, mais après promis, vous ne recevrez plus 36000 infos tous les jours !<br />
<br />
Voici pelles-mêle (ahah) les interrogations, exclamations, explications sur le pourquoi du comment de la présence de chacun :<br />
- objectif : se faire plaisir !<br />
- pour ne pas être en concurrence avec la ville, il faut planter les endroits délaissés par les jardiniers municipaux : autour d'arbres, de poteaux, goutières...<br />
- Si on plante des légumes, est-ce qu'on va pouvoir les manger même si des chiens font caca dessus et que les pots d'échappement échappent pleins de trucs pas bons dessus ? Plus sérieusement se pose la réelle question de la comestibilité des légumes plantés dans ce type d'espace urbain. Des recherches doivent déjà être effectuées, il faudrait en trouver les résultats et les communiquer pour que chacun soit au courant de ce qu'il mange.<br />
- Rajoutons de la biodiversité en ville ! Réapproprions nous l'espace public !<br />
- Autosuffisance alimentaire des villes... on en parle, mais finalement, est-ce que c'est possible ? Si on essaie pas un tout petit peu, c'est sur qu'on pourra pas voir beaucoup de changement !<br />
- Marre de voir des pensées moches dans les bacs prévus pour, toutes bien alignées et qui changent toutes les 3 semaines ! Si on faisait autre chose ?<br />
- Peut-être qu'on pourrait faire deux choses différentes ? Planter des fleurs un peu partout où elles pourraient pousser et des légumes dans des endroits un peu plus abrités, pour un suivi plus régulier jusqu'à la récolte, et peut être même pouvoir les manger ?<br />
- Pas de cadre trop défini pour cette action, il faut qu'on reste le plus souple possible, comme ça, tout le monde s'implique comme il veut, et tout le monde est content<br />
- Initiation au jardinage de manière collective et ludique<br />
- Avant, tout le monde avait un jardin. La ville ne nous permet plus de disposer de cet espace. Et si on se le réappropriait de manière citoyenne ? Si on recréait des sols ? Idée : liner de piscine + feuilles mortes suffisent pour faire pousser des fraises des bois.<br />
- Côté éducation / citoyenneté pour que les enfants arrêtent de croire que les patates poussent sur les arbres et que les tomates se déterrent en hiver !<br />
- Gratuité dans l'espace public ! Interpellons les passants en nous baladant avec des arrosoirs et des binettes !<br />
- Des légumes font de supers fleurs, pensons aux topinambours !<br />
- Lancer des graines sur des chantiers par exemple peut être un bon moyen de lutter contre l'ambroisie.<br />
- Idée ! Si on faisait des pochoirs en forme de carottes ou autre pour remplacer les fleurs à l'entrée des villes par des légumes ?<br />
- Plantons par quartier. Organisons nous en petits groupes locaux pour planter vers chez nous. C'est plus sympa de le faire à plusieurs, mais c'est aussi plus sympa quand c'est en bas de chez nous ! On peut préparer les semis et les bouquets volants ensemble et ensuite, répartissons-nous géographiquement !<br />
- Pourquoi ne pas faire une carte des lieux disponibles et repérés pour que l'on sache où mettre nos petites graines ,<br />
- On peut aussi faire des tontines pour mettre les plants en hauteur et qu'ils soient moins touchés par la pollution urbaine<br />
- En ville, tout est si bien organisé. Mais pourtant, ce qu'on veut, ce ne sont pas forcément des arbres et des parterres bien alignés. La nature à l'état "sauvage" n'est pas si présente autour de nous. Amenons-la, elle se débrouillera bien sans nous une fois qu'on aura lancé le truc !<br />
- Les pigeons c'est bien, mais peut-être qu'il pourrait y avoir d'autres espèces d'oiseaux ? Si on plantait des céréales, ça pourrait par exemple attirer des passereaux ?<br />
- Jardiner ensemble est un bon moyen de partager l'expérience, les bons coins, les bonnes graines...<br />
- L'art potager pourrait peut-être remplacer les discussions autour des crottes de chien et les tags pendant les conseils de quartier ? Ce serait là l'occasion de faire tourner la discussion autour de sujets positifs !<br />
- Le chantier du musée de la confluence est à l'arrêt pour le moment. Si on en profitait pour le recouvrir de fleurs ?<br />
- Spontanéité, légèreté doivent être les cadres de cette action...<br />
- Les robins des graines sont une action complémentaire des jardins partagés. Ils peuvent d'ailleurs s'aider mutuellement, en se prêtant outils, semences ou autre !<br />
- Eveiller les sens, mais TOUS les sens !! Si les plantes dans la ville, c'est joli, on peut aussi faire en sorte que ça sente bon quand on passe. Alors plantons des herbes qui fleurent bon et aromatiquons nos quartiers !<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:Robins des Graines]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Lyon&diff=1860Lyon2010-01-20T19:06:21Z<p>Sitarane: /* Already found */</p>
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<div>__NOTOC__<br />
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Julien and Elsy are moving to Lyon. Soon there will be a new nomad base there :)<br />
<br />
Both are looking for a job there. If you have one spare, share a bit.<br />
<br />
==Current plan==<br />
Julien goes as an advance party. Elsy joins later.<br />
<br />
==List of contacts==<br />
===Julien===<br />
*Emilie<br />
*[http://www.couchsurfing.org/people/ftrippin/ François]<br />
*[http://www.bewelcome.org/people/bikepunk Bikepunk]<br />
*Caps<br />
*Guillaume<br />
<br />
===Elsy===<br />
*Andrea<br />
*[http://www.couchsurfing.org/people/niko_niko/ Nico]<br />
<br />
==Stuff to check==<br />
*Hackerspaces?<br />
* [http://rebellyon.info/ rebellyon.info] : an event calendar with alternative radical political infos for Lyon<br />
* [http://www.grrrndzero.org/ grrrndzero] : they organise a buch of nice concerts<br />
* [http://laluttine.free.fr/ la Luttine] : a DIY punk infoshop open on Saturdays<br />
<br />
==Finding a flat==<br />
===Online===<br />
====Ressources====<br />
http://rhone-alpes.kijiji.fr<br />
:Lots of stuff.<br />
<br />
http://lyonweb.net<br />
:Looks like from the 90s.<br />
<br />
http://www.loclyon.com/<br />
: same<br />
<br />
http://lyon.vivastreet.fr/annonces-location-appartement+lyon<br />
<br />
http://www.seloger.com/immobilier/locations/immo-lyon-5eme-69/bien-appartement/<br />
<br />
http://www.pap.fr/locations-appartement/locations-appartement-rhone-69.htm<br />
<br />
====Already found====<br />
<br />
[http://lyonweb.net/petites-annonces/annonce.php?id=443947 Rue St catherine]<br />
:This one is right on the local Grosse Freiheit. The price per square meter is quite low because they probably assume nobody wants to live there. Well, assume again.<br />
:I wrote them. We should call on the 2nd jan or something. --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]<br />
<br />
[http://lyonweb.net/petites-annonces/annonce.php?id=443768 Big one 1st arr, not expensive]<br />
:I wrote an email directly to the address given. --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]<br />
<br />
[http://www.pap.fr/annonces/annonce-immobiliere-lyon-pap-7799953.htm 1st arr, not too bad]<br />
:Call 06.72.48.84.15 on 2nd jan<br />
<br />
[http://location-appartement.vivastreet.fr/annonces-location-appartement+lyon-69009/reprise-de-bail-t2-quai-de-saone-lyon-9/21509844 quais de la Saone, 9eme]<br />
:Sent email. I should go to the visit next monday --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 19:06, 20 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
[http://location-appartement.vivastreet.fr/annonces-location-appartement+lyon-69001/cede-bail-joli-t2--avec-mezzanine-croix-rousse/21493291 Xrousse, small, furnished]<br />
:Sent email. No phone number --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 19:06, 20 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
[http://location-appartement.vivastreet.fr/annonces-location-appartement+lyon-69001/location-appartement-2-chambres-metro-croix-rousse/21304321 3 rooms, Pentes de la Xrousse, perfect size, good price]<br />
0615914235<br />
:Tried calling, no reply. Sent email. Must call again later. --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 19:06, 20 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
[http://location-appartement.vivastreet.fr/annonces-location-appartement+lyon-69009/t3-61-m--650--hc-10-rue-nerard-lyon-9eme---metro-valmy/21150418 9eme, Fucking agency]<br />
Régie Pozetto - Service Location<br />
www.regiepozetto.fr<br />
71 Cours Vitton 69006 LYON<br />
Accueil téléphonique du lundi au vendredi<br />
de 9h à 12h et de 14h à 17h<br />
04.72.83.95.00 ou 04.72.83.95.02<br />
Pour toute correspondance :<br />
82 Cours Vitton 69006 LYON<br />
:Sent email, will call tomorrow --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 19:06, 20 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
===Offline===<br />
Go check the university message board.<br />
<br />
==Suggestions?==<br />
''add yours''</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Lyon&diff=1763Lyon2009-12-31T13:37:21Z<p>Sitarane: /* Online */</p>
<hr />
<div>__NOTOC__<br />
<br />
Julien and Elsy are moving to Lyon. Soon there will be a new nomad base there :)<br />
<br />
Both are looking for a job there. If you have one spare, share a bit.<br />
<br />
==Current plan==<br />
Julien goes as an advance party. Elsy joins later.<br />
<br />
==List of contacts==<br />
===Julien===<br />
*Emilie<br />
*[http://www.couchsurfing.org/people/ftrippin/ François]<br />
*[http://www.bewelcome.org/people/bikepunk Bikepunk]<br />
*Caps<br />
*Guillaume<br />
<br />
===Elsy===<br />
*Andrea<br />
*[http://www.couchsurfing.org/people/niko_niko/ Nico]<br />
<br />
==Stuff to check==<br />
*Hackerspaces?<br />
* [http://rebellyon.info/ rebellyon.info] : an event calendar with alternative radical political infos for Lyon<br />
* [http://www.grrrndzero.org/ grrrndzero] : they organise a buch of nice concerts<br />
* [http://laluttine.free.fr/ la Luttine] : a DIY punk infoshop open on Saturdays<br />
<br />
==Finding a flat==<br />
===Online===<br />
====Ressources====<br />
http://rhone-alpes.kijiji.fr<br />
:Lots of stuff.<br />
<br />
http://lyonweb.net<br />
:Looks like from the 90s.<br />
<br />
====Already found====<br />
<br />
[http://lyonweb.net/petites-annonces/annonce.php?id=443947 Rue St catherine]<br />
:This one is right on the local Grosse Freiheit. The price per square meter is quite low because they probably assume nobody wants to live there. Well, assume again.<br />
:I wrote them. We should call on the 2nd jan or something. --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]<br />
<br />
[http://lyonweb.net/petites-annonces/annonce.php?id=443768 Big one 1st arr, not expensive]<br />
:I wrote an email directly to the address given. --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]<br />
<br />
===Offline===<br />
Go check the university message board.<br />
<br />
==Suggestions?==<br />
''add yours''</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Lyon&diff=1762Lyon2009-12-31T13:29:56Z<p>Sitarane: /* Online */</p>
<hr />
<div>__NOTOC__<br />
<br />
Julien and Elsy are moving to Lyon. Soon there will be a new nomad base there :)<br />
<br />
Both are looking for a job there. If you have one spare, share a bit.<br />
<br />
==Current plan==<br />
Julien goes as an advance party. Elsy joins later.<br />
<br />
==List of contacts==<br />
===Julien===<br />
*Emilie<br />
*[http://www.couchsurfing.org/people/ftrippin/ François]<br />
*[http://www.bewelcome.org/people/bikepunk Bikepunk]<br />
*Caps<br />
*Guillaume<br />
<br />
===Elsy===<br />
*Andrea<br />
*[http://www.couchsurfing.org/people/niko_niko/ Nico]<br />
<br />
==Stuff to check==<br />
*Hackerspaces?<br />
* [http://rebellyon.info/ rebellyon.info] : an event calendar with alternative radical political infos for Lyon<br />
* [http://www.grrrndzero.org/ grrrndzero] : they organise a buch of nice concerts<br />
* [http://laluttine.free.fr/ la Luttine] : a DIY punk infoshop open on Saturdays<br />
<br />
==Finding a flat==<br />
===Online===<br />
http://rhone-alpes.kijiji.fr<br />
:Lots of stuff.<br />
<br />
http://lyonweb.net<br />
:Looks like from the 90s.<br />
<br />
[http://lyonweb.net/petites-annonces/annonce.php?id=443947 Rue St catherine]<br />
:This one is right on the local Grosse Freiheit. The price per square meter is quite low because they probably assume nobody wants to live there. Well, assume again.<br />
:I wrote them. We should call on the 2nd jan or something. --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]]<br />
<br />
===Offline===<br />
Go check the university message board.<br />
<br />
==Suggestions?==<br />
''add yours''</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Lyon&diff=1761Lyon2009-12-31T13:23:04Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
<hr />
<div>__NOTOC__<br />
<br />
Julien and Elsy are moving to Lyon. Soon there will be a new nomad base there :)<br />
<br />
Both are looking for a job there. If you have one spare, share a bit.<br />
<br />
==Current plan==<br />
Julien goes as an advance party. Elsy joins later.<br />
<br />
==List of contacts==<br />
===Julien===<br />
*Emilie<br />
*[http://www.couchsurfing.org/people/ftrippin/ François]<br />
*[http://www.bewelcome.org/people/bikepunk Bikepunk]<br />
*Caps<br />
*Guillaume<br />
<br />
===Elsy===<br />
*Andrea<br />
*[http://www.couchsurfing.org/people/niko_niko/ Nico]<br />
<br />
==Stuff to check==<br />
*Hackerspaces?<br />
* [http://rebellyon.info/ rebellyon.info] : an event calendar with alternative radical political infos for Lyon<br />
* [http://www.grrrndzero.org/ grrrndzero] : they organise a buch of nice concerts<br />
* [http://laluttine.free.fr/ la Luttine] : a DIY punk infoshop open on Saturdays<br />
<br />
==Finding a flat==<br />
===Online===<br />
http://rhone-alpes.kijiji.fr<br />
:Lots of stuff.<br />
<br />
http://lyonweb.net<br />
:Looks like from the 90s.<br />
<br />
===Offline===<br />
Go check the university message board.<br />
<br />
==Suggestions?==<br />
''add yours''</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Casanostra&diff=1719Casanostra2009-12-10T15:57:26Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
<hr />
<div>Community is missing a member.<br />
<br />
==The place==<br />
<br />
Details: Furnished, street level, quiet neighborhood, central, '''250 € a month'''.<br />
<br />
The flat is 60 square meters, shared between 3 people.<br />
<br />
The way it's been working in the past 2 years is that there is no proprietary space, we use the rooms a bit like we feel. But since there are three rooms (for 3 people), it is always possible to have some time on your own.<br />
<br />
Location is pretty good. U Reeperbahn. There's a StadtRad station two blocks away, a good choice of markets and supermarkets. 10 min walking from the red lights or Fischmarkt or Schanzenviertel ; and pretty much everything in Hamburg is withing 20 min bike reach. The Elbstrand (beach) in particular is within walking distance (but a good 20 min).<br />
<br />
Given the location and the size, the price is extremely cheap. The reason why is the way we share all the space, which allows us to live 3 people in 3 rooms and still have some common space. And it's been working pretty good in the past 2 years.<br />
<br />
[http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Billrothstra%C3%9Fe+59,+22767+Hamburg&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=34.122306,56.513672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Billrothstra%C3%9Fe+59,+Altona-Altstadt+22767+Hamburg,+Germany&z=15 Exact location]<br />
<br />
==The people==<br />
<br />
Tarek: Speaks German and English<br />
<br />
Erick: Speaks Spanish, English and a bit German<br />
<br />
==Contacts==<br />
<br />
House: +494040138627<br />
<br />
Tarek: t.roehlinger- (at) gmx (dot) net | +4917677162382<br />
<br />
Erick: barrioserick (at) hotmail (dot) com | +4915126082770</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Casanostra&diff=1718Casanostra2009-12-10T15:19:45Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
<hr />
<div>Community is missing a member.<br />
<br />
Details: Furnished, street level, quiet neighborhood, central, '''250 € a month'''.<br />
<br />
The flat is 60 square meters, shared between 3 people.<br />
<br />
The way it's been working in the past 2 years is that there is no proprietary space, we use the rooms a bit like we feel. But since there are three rooms (for 3 people), it is always possible to have some time on your own.<br />
<br />
Location is pretty good. U Reeperbahn. There's a StadtRad station two blocks away, a good choice of markets and supermarkets. 10 min walking from the red lights or Fischmarkt or Schanzenviertel ; and pretty much everything in Hamburg is withing 20 min bike reach. The Elbstrand (beach) in particular is within walking distance (but a good 20 min).<br />
<br />
Given the location and the size, the price is extremely cheap. The reason why is the way we share all the space, which allows us to live 3 people in 3 rooms and still have some common space. And it's been working pretty good in the past 2 years.<br />
<br />
[http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Billrothstra%C3%9Fe+59,+22767+Hamburg&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=34.122306,56.513672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Billrothstra%C3%9Fe+59,+Altona-Altstadt+22767+Hamburg,+Germany&z=15 Exact location]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Casanostra&diff=1717Casanostra2009-12-10T15:18:51Z<p>Sitarane: New page: Community is missing a member. Details: Furnished, street level, quiet neighborhood, central, '''250 € a month'''. The flat is 60 square meters, shared between 3 people. The way it's ...</p>
<hr />
<div>Community is missing a member.<br />
<br />
Details: Furnished, street level, quiet neighborhood, central, '''250 € a month'''.<br />
<br />
The flat is 60 square meters, shared between 3 people.<br />
<br />
The way it's been working in the past 2 years is that there is no proprietary space, we use the rooms a bit like we feel. But since there are three rooms (for 3 people), it is always possible to have some time on your own.<br />
<br />
Location is pretty good. U Reeperbahn. There's a StadtRad station two blocks away, a good choice of markets and supermarkets. 10 min walking from the red lights or Fischmarkt or Schanzenviertel ; and pretty much everything in Hamburg is withing 20 min bike reach. The Elbstrand (beach) in particular is within walking distance (but a goot 20 min).<br />
<br />
Given the location and the size, the price is extremely cheap. The reason why is the way we share all the space, which allows us to live 3 people in 3 rooms and still have some common space. And it's been working pretty good in the past 2 years.<br />
<br />
[http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Billrothstra%C3%9Fe+59,+22767+Hamburg&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=34.122306,56.513672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Billrothstra%C3%9Fe+59,+Altona-Altstadt+22767+Hamburg,+Germany&z=15 Exact location]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Activating_new_nomadbases&diff=1672Activating new nomadbases2009-11-29T16:41:39Z<p>Sitarane: New page: How to reach potential new bases? Minutes of the meeting Go and meet them. :Sure. Personal contact. --~~~~ Keep your eyes open when you're travelling, go and check potential places. Id...</p>
<hr />
<div>How to reach potential new bases?<br />
<br />
Minutes of the meeting<br />
<br />
Go and meet them.<br />
:Sure. Personal contact. --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 16:41, 29 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Keep your eyes open when you're travelling, go and check potential places.<br />
<br />
Idea: Nomadbase hunt. You (and any other nomad) go to a city without known nomad base and try to infiltrate the network of that place to find what's to be found.<br />
<br />
Recycle the house of grandma.<br />
<br />
For each profile: List of places you like. Get notification when new nomad base is being created there.<br />
<br />
Some communities with good potential look for members on mainstream search tools (Germany: WG-gesucht). We may find some interesting things there.<br />
<br />
If you start trying convincing people. They might drop out.<br />
<br />
A place on the website to signal good occasions of flats. Where people that hear of a good deal but cannot take it can make it known to those that are looking.<br />
Also list the flat-finding ressources per city.<br />
<br />
[[Category:Nomadbase]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_nomadbases&diff=1671List of nomadbases2009-11-29T15:37:58Z<p>Sitarane: New page: Intro List Category:Nomadbase</p>
<hr />
<div>Intro<br />
<br />
List<br />
<br />
[[Category:Nomadbase]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Nomadbase_promotion&diff=1660Nomadbase promotion2009-11-28T18:01:47Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
<hr />
<div>At [[SHE goes MAD|The Berlin SHE]], a meeting took place on the subject of how to promote the concept of nomadbase. Only the last chapter is about concrete tools, but it is all based on the discussion that took place before and that is transcripted here.<br />
<br />
==Discussion==<br />
===What is a nomad base for you? Opinions...===<br />
The more people join the more sustainable it is.<br />
The network should not be closed.<br />
A nomad place is a place with no limitation (less limitations?)<br />
A new vision for property.<br />
<br />
it is not a barther, you give what you have. it is about setting up a parallel system for people to share what they can. nomadbase is a good name, you travel, you offer something, it means you are open. it means skillsharing. learning/teaaching to cook, etc.<br />
<br />
nomadbase is a place to work. i can do my stuff and I have access to the knowledge of other people. where I can assist other people. it is not even so much a place to chill for me, although i can accept it of other people do that. concept of nomadbase is not so new. it is like inventing fire over and over again.<br />
<br />
A place where you can be yourself and do your stuff<br />
A place to chill<br />
It's not a political project<br />
It's more turned to the individual and the team rather than the society.<br />
<br />
There are places where you need to be for longer time to get a feeling of what is going on.<br />
Opening the eyes of other people can be a long process.<br />
It is good that it is easy to find.<br />
<br />
a place to be. exposing it to the "right people". how you do that?<br />
<br />
2 subjects: A base promoting itself / the promotion of nomadbase.org<br />
<br />
===What do you think we should be doing in this meeting?===<br />
<br />
We need to explain the concept to people that don't know what it is.<br />
Nomadbases need to be involved with the local people.<br />
Try to educate the world by the example.<br />
<br />
Them and Us syndrome. We need to either involve them either to stay in good terms with them. We need to find positive recognition.<br />
<br />
We are not against the world, we must be WITH it. Rainbow and Squat syndrome.<br />
<br />
===The problem with broadcasting===<br />
Casarobino is not promoting at all. They are extremely warry of media attention.<br />
<br />
Person to person contact is much more reliable than publication.<br />
<br />
But we must take the word out to the society. Do you mean we must hide?<br />
<br />
One on one contact allows better understanding. In particular within a nomad base.<br />
<br />
When you use the media you must have a very clear goal. A campaign.<br />
<br />
Do we do it for ourselves or for the greater benefit of society?<br />
<br />
Maybe the way for the concept to serve society better is to grow slowly and carefully.<br />
<br />
There's media and media. Mainstream and specialised. Specialized media allows to hit more precisely.<br />
<br />
When broadcasting, the poster is responsible for communication. No direct link to individual bases. Interested people get in touch with him.<br />
:Wishful thinking. No way to control it. But it's a good "guideline" --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 18:01, 28 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Protection of the network? How do we do it.<br />
:By telling a consistent message.<br />
<br />
It's arrogant to think that our friends are the best people. We should reach the people and let them decide.<br />
<br />
It's already hard enough to get consensus in a small group of relatively similar people.<br />
<br />
Avoid splitting the network in the same way it happened to hospex.<br />
<br />
===Concrete suggestions===<br />
<br />
When we're travelling, find the nomadbases. Stay there and possibly involve them.<br />
<br />
List of places to check: "I heard of a place over there, can someone check it out".<br />
Notification to geographically close nomads.<br />
<br />
List of (dated) creation intentions.<br />
<br />
List of bases in bases in trouble.<br />
:Forum can do that better.<br />
<br />
Lightfoot letter if nobody can get there.<br />
<br />
No email or impersonal contact taking.<br />
Can inquire about a place by remote communication, but the actual connection to nomadbase should be done by people face to face.<br />
<br />
Content type: Potential nomadbase, can be created by anyone. Can be upgraded to "nomadbase" by super-nomad.<br />
Super-nomad is either someone that came to that conference or someone contaminated by them.<br />
<br />
Another content: A "place" (everyone's address) can be upgraded to a "base"<br />
<br />
Avoid verification.<br />
<br />
Everyone can open a profile. And can create a place. If they think that their place would be a good base. They make a call and somebody comes and check it out. If X people say it's a base, it is a base.<br />
<br />
Works for existing base and creating bases.<br />
<br />
==Conclusion==<br />
<br />
*Promotion should be done by people physically meeting other people.<br />
*If a participant in nomadbase thinks that there is a nomad base that should be connected to the network, he should go there and introduce the idea to the people living there. If the people living there like the concept of being in touch with other similar places, they join the network on their own initiative.<br />
<br />
===Consequences on the website structure===<br />
*List of "places to check out" that can be accessed and populated by current participants on nomadbase.org. The content type "group" can be used for that.<br />
*Anyone can create a profile on nomadbase.org.<br />
*Every profile owner is given the opportunity to open their "place" (house, appartment) to travellers. A "place" is a genuine content type.<br />
*Every owner of a "place" that thinks that his place is actually good for a nomadbase can transform it into a "base". When that happens, nearby participants are notified and suggested to go and physically visit the place.<br />
<br />
In the case of a participant discovering an existing nomadbase that is not connected to the network (and that wishes to be). One of the people living there just needs to create a profile and open their "place" directly as a "base". The nomad that is visiting them can immediately add content to that new "base".<br />
<br />
[[Category:Nomadbase]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Nomadbase_promotion&diff=1659Nomadbase promotion2009-11-28T17:53:34Z<p>Sitarane: New page: At The Berlin SHE, a meeting took place on the subject of how to promote the concept of nomadbase. Only the last chapter is about concrete tools, but it is all based on th...</p>
<hr />
<div>At [[SHE goes MAD|The Berlin SHE]], a meeting took place on the subject of how to promote the concept of nomadbase. Only the last chapter is about concrete tools, but it is all based on the discussion that took place before and that is transcripted here.<br />
<br />
==Discussion==<br />
===What is a nomad base for you? Opinions...===<br />
The more people join the more sustainable it is.<br />
The network should not be closed.<br />
A nomad place is a place with no limitation (less limitations?)<br />
A new vision for property.<br />
<br />
it is not a barther, you give what you have. it is about setting up a parallel system for people to share what they can. nomadbase is a good name, you travel, you offer something, it means you are open. it means skillsharing. learning/teaaching to cook, etc.<br />
<br />
nomadbase is a place to work. i can do my stuff and I have access to the knowledge of other people. where I can assist other people. it is not even so much a place to chill for me, although i can accept it of other people do that. concept of nomadbase is not so new. it is like inventing fire over and over again.<br />
<br />
A place where you can be yourself and do your stuff<br />
A place to chill<br />
It's not a political project<br />
It's more turned to the individual and the team rather than the society.<br />
<br />
There are places where you need to be for longer time to get a feeling of what is going on.<br />
Opening the eyes of other people can be a long process.<br />
It is good that it is easy to find.<br />
<br />
a place to be. exposing it to the "right people". how you do that?<br />
<br />
2 subjects: A base promoting itself / the promotion of nomadbase.org<br />
<br />
===What do you think we should be doing in this meeting?===<br />
<br />
We need to explain the concept to people that don't know what it is.<br />
Nomadbases need to be involved with the local people.<br />
Try to educate the world by the example.<br />
<br />
Them and Us syndrome. We need to either involve them either to stay in good terms with them. We need to find positive recognition.<br />
<br />
We are not against the world, we must be WITH it. Rainbow and Squat syndrome.<br />
<br />
===The problem with broadcasting===<br />
Casarobino is not promoting at all. They are extremely warry of media attention.<br />
<br />
Person to person contact is much more reliable than publication.<br />
<br />
But we must take the word out to the society. Do you mean we must hide?<br />
<br />
One on one contact allows better understanding. In particular within a nomad base.<br />
<br />
When you use the media you must have a very clear goal. A campaign.<br />
<br />
Do we do it for ourselves or for the greater benefit of society?<br />
<br />
There's media and media. Mainstream and specialised. Specialized media allows to hit more precisely.<br />
<br />
When broadcasting, the poster is responsible for communication. No direct link to individual bases. Interested people get in touch with him.<br />
<br />
Protection of the network? How do we do it.<br />
By telling a consistent message.<br />
<br />
It's arrogant to think that our friends are the best people. We should reach the people and let them decide.<br />
<br />
It's already hard enough to get consensus in a small group of relatively similar people.<br />
<br />
Avoid splitting the network in the same way it happened to hospex.<br />
<br />
===Concrete suggestions===<br />
<br />
When we're travelling, find the nomadbases. Stay there and possibly involve them.<br />
<br />
List of places to check: "I heard of a place over there, can someone check it out".<br />
Notification geographically<br />
<br />
List of (dated) creation intentions.<br />
<br />
List of bases in bases in trouble.<br />
:Forum!<br />
<br />
Lightfoot letter if nobody can get there.<br />
<br />
No email or impersonal contact taking.<br />
Can inquire about a place but the actual connection to nomadbase should be done by people face to face.<br />
<br />
Content type: Potential nomadbase, can be created by anyone. Can be upgraded to "nomadbase" by super-nomad.<br />
Super-nomad is either someone that came to that conference or someone contaminated by them.<br />
<br />
Another content: A "place" (everyone's address) can be upgraded to a "base"<br />
<br />
Avoid verification.<br />
<br />
Everyone can open a profile. And can create a place. If they think that their place would be a good base. They make a call and somebody comes and check it out. If X people say it's a base, it is a base.<br />
<br />
Works for existing base and creating bases.<br />
<br />
==Conclusion==<br />
<br />
*Promotion should be done by people physically meeting other people.<br />
*If a participant in nomadbase thinks that there is a nomad base that should be connected to the network, he should go there and introduce the idea to the people living there. If the people living there like the concept of being in touch with other similar places, they join the network on their own initiative.<br />
*<br />
<br />
===Consequences on the website structure===<br />
*List of "places to check out" that can be accessed and populated by current participants on nomadbase.org. The content type "group" can be used for that.<br />
*Anyone can create a profile on nomadbase.org.<br />
*Every profile owner is given the opportunity to open their "place" (house, appartment) to travellers. A "place" is a genuine content type.<br />
*Every owner of a "place" that thinks that his place is actually good for a nomadbase can transform it into a "base". When that happens, nearby participants are notified and suggested to go and physically visit the place.<br />
<br />
In the case of a participant discovering an existing nomadbase that is not connected to the network (and that wishes to be). One of the people living there just needs to create a profile and open their "place" directly as a "base". The nomad that is visiting them can immediately add content to that new "base".<br />
<br />
[[Category:Nomadbase]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Nomad&diff=1655Nomad2009-11-27T20:09:07Z<p>Sitarane: /* What's that? */</p>
<hr />
<div>Nomadic people (Greek: �������, nom�des, "those who let pasture herds") are communities of people who move from one place to another, rather than settling permanently in one location. There are an estimated 30 to 40 million nomads in the world. While most of these nomads are part of rather traditional nomadic tribes, there is also a small but increasing amount of people (mostly in the Western world) who adopt a nomadic lifestyle, roaming around freely over a vast territory. <br />
<br />
Other and older terms used to describe all kinds of nomads: hobos, itinerants, technomads, perpetual travelers, location independent professional, vagabond, tramps... <br />
<br />
Humans have been surviving for hundreds of thousands of years as nomadic tribes, maximizing the effectiveness of the use of resources through sharing within their tribes. Still today, some of the harshest places on earth are inhabited by nomads.<br />
<br />
=Neonomads=<br />
==What's that?==<br />
<br />
These elements were collected during a "What's a nomad" discussion at the 2009 [[SHE goes MAD|S.H.E.]]<br />
<br />
Neonomads are people travelling as a lifestyle, staying a few days to a few months in a place.<br />
<br />
Neonomads value freedom and take freedom from simplicity. [[Hitchhiking]], [[gift economy]], [[dumpster diving]] are commonly practiced by nomads. They are likely to be trusting strangers, willing to [[share]], according their needs and resources. They feel home in the place they visit.<br />
<br />
A nomad goes beyond the concept of traveling to visit places. Traveling becomes a destination itself. They travel to learn (about others and about themselves) and to '''experience life'''. Some of the nomads travel for work, others for study, others to learn from random encounters on the road.<br />
<br />
Neonomadism is a non-exclusive sub-culture. People can identify themselves as nomad to a certain extend without being constantly on the road, or they can be nomads for periods and live a more sedentary lifestyle at times.<br />
<br />
==Common Yearnings==<br />
* Social contribution, volunteering, meaningful projects, social revolution<br />
* Trust<br />
* Change<br />
* Social identity, a tribe<br />
* Integrity of our values, bend them as little as possible<br />
* Environmental sustainability<br />
* Time not wasted on things we don't support<br />
* Deeper bonding - relationships<br />
* Elements of stability<br />
<br />
==Common Needs==<br />
<br />
===Basic Needs===<br />
* Rest, warm shelter (subject to seasons), quietness, sleep space<br />
* Food<br />
* Hygiene & health care<br />
* Love<br />
* Emotional support<br />
* Physical integrity / Safety<br />
* Personal space - although it's generally less than sedentary people, it's still a need, and we tend to forget it<br />
* Exercise, sports, or play<br />
* Support in case of emergency<br />
<br />
===Social & Actualization Needs===<br />
* Family, homely feeling<br />
* Being in touch with other people - home, family, hosts, friends, etc, a place to receive mail<br />
* Acceptance / Identity<br />
* Growth, learning opportunities<br />
* Opportunities to contribute to projects that value us<br />
* Differentiate what we need from what we should/are told to do<br />
* Discover other practices<br />
* Meeting new people<br />
* Share (like it's vital to do it..)<br />
* Find balance, feel grounded<br />
* Not to go through the same cycles over and over and re-do things endlessly<br />
* Delearn/Unlearn<br />
* Location-Independent techniques, methods, rituals<br />
<br />
===Technical Needs===<br />
* Internet connection<br />
* Transportation - within cities or between cities<br />
* A place to drop stuff, and respect of property / intimacy / organizational needs<br />
* Money<br />
* A legal status (avoid being deported)<br />
* Working space (eventually a chair and desk), and uninterrupted quiet time<br />
* Working material (stationary, art supplies. <br />
* Find the next place you're going to be / sleep at<br />
* Language skills/learning, communication, etc<br />
<br />
==Common Resources==<br />
* Nomadbase-type economic projects<br />
* Networks & Communities<br />
** Skill-sharing<br />
** HospEx<br />
** Intentional Communities<br />
* Peer production infrastructures<br />
* Mainstream institution support: grants, programs...<br />
* Sponsorship opportunities<br />
* Freeshops (spaces to exchange/swap goods - especially clothes)<br />
* People we've met & their resources<br />
* Willingness to use hidden resources, dearingness<br />
* Freedom of thought, decision, location<br />
* Informal education, Open Universities<br />
<br />
==Common Challenges==<br />
<br />
* Lack of residency status in any country<br />
* Create (our own) reference points<br />
* Exhaustion of the road and withdrawal<br />
** Punctual physical weakening<br />
** How to keep the underground close to the surface, to not withdraw ourselves from all other 'realities'<br />
* Staying connected without being online all the time<br />
<br />
===Relationships===<br />
* Communication/relations with sedentary people - others who do not experience multiple shifting realities <br />
** Keeping presence when faced to other peoples fears<br />
* Stable intimate relationships<br />
* Sustaining a family<br />
* Other family responsibilities<br />
* Go beyond superficial relationships<br />
* Are we selfish because we don't come "back" when something happens "back home"?<br />
<br />
===Economics===<br />
* '''Earn money''': Some people stop to get a full-time job for a short period, other freelance...<br />
* '''Spendings''': ... and where and how to spend less<br />
<br />
===Social Participation===<br />
* Collaborate on long term projects<br />
* '''Build social recognition''': people assimilate freely neonomads, travelers, tourists and freeloaders, but these concepts do not overlap clearly, and carry different connotations.<br />
<br />
==Common cultural elements==<br />
<br />
* Curiosity - looking forward to learning about other cultures, other ways of doing things, other <br />
* Priorites are defined differently because needs are defined differently<br />
* Neonomads create the world that the live in<br />
* Generally wary of labels - Maybe because we're [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychical_Nomadism|psychical nomads]?<br />
* Sometimes we are tired of travelling and must settle a bit... Sometimes we're tired of settling and we need to travel a bit...<br />
* Nomads have little fears<br />
* We want to be a little bit there and a little bit away at the same time...<br />
<br />
===Conception of Time===<br />
<br />
Most neonomads do not differentiate the days of the week, and treat each day as "another day". Therefore, they do not see week-ends as special moments.<br />
<br />
They have a conception of time that is very anchored in the present. It's difficult for them to make plans further than a few months ahead, and if they do, it's very likely that these plans will change according to the opportunities they meet en-route. They usually have a flexible approach to scheduling. They can have very productive periods followed by rest days or travelling days, each of these feeding a different aspect of the nomad's life. <br />
<br />
===Conception of Space===<br />
<br />
===Conception of Money===<br />
* Contributing to Society, paying taxes, hitchhiking, dumpster diving. Are these activities parasiting society, commensalism, or is it even productive? Our conception of the morality of these activities may differ a lot from the common thought.<br />
* We feel we're more useful to society by living this way than being in a life we wouldn't like, with a regular job, etc.<br />
===Conception of Comfort & Material World===<br />
* Nomads belonging are also nomadic, especially clothes, furniture, tools..<br />
* Ability to turn trash into food<br />
===Conception of Relationships===<br />
* Trust, regularity not needed so much as joy and moments of connection<br />
* Sharing-oriented interaction<br />
===Conception of Travelling===<br />
*Travelling is not a holiday, but it's just life, it's the way life is experienced<br />
* Travelling as an archetype of freedom. Freedom is freedom of thoughts, acts..<br />
<br />
==More resources==<br />
* A wikistory on [[Digital Nomads]]<br />
* http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/technomad<br />
* [http://delicious.com/deliciousdante/nomadology Dante's Nomadology Links]<br />
* {{Wikipedia}}<br />
* {{Wikipedia|Perpetual_traveler|Perpetual travelers}}<br />
* {{Wikipedia|Itinerant|Itinerants}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:People]]<br />
[[Category:Theory]]<br />
[[Category:Definition]]<br />
[[Category:Nomadbase]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Nomad&diff=1654Nomad2009-11-27T19:53:55Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
<hr />
<div>Nomadic people (Greek: �������, nom�des, "those who let pasture herds") are communities of people who move from one place to another, rather than settling permanently in one location. There are an estimated 30 to 40 million nomads in the world. While most of these nomads are part of rather traditional nomadic tribes, there is also a small but increasing amount of people (mostly in the Western world) who adopt a nomadic lifestyle, roaming around freely over a vast territory. <br />
<br />
Other and older terms used to describe all kinds of nomads: hobos, itinerants, technomads, perpetual travelers, location independent professional, vagabond, tramps... <br />
<br />
Humans have been surviving for hundreds of thousands of years as nomadic tribes, maximizing the effectiveness of the use of resources through sharing within their tribes. Still today, some of the harshest places on earth are inhabited by nomads.<br />
<br />
=Neonomads=<br />
==What's that?==<br />
<br />
These elements were collected during a "What's a nomad" discussion at the 2009 [[SHE goes MAD|S.H.E.]]<br />
<br />
Neonomads are people travelling as a lifestyle, staying a few days to a few months in a place. <br />
<br />
Neonomads, can be travelling with very limited amounts of money, through [[hitchhiking]], [[gift economy]], [[dumpster diving]] or just by trusting strangers, learning to receive, hence to give and [[share]], according their needs and resources. They feel home wherever they are.<br />
<br />
What is a nomad? A nomad is someone who believes that traveling (physically or mentally) is a way to learn (about others and about themselves) and to '''experience life'''. Some of the nomads travel for work, others for study, others to learn from random encounters on the road. <br />
<br />
Neonomadism is a non-exclusive sub-culture. People can identify themselves as nomad to a certain extend without being constantly on the road, or they can be nomads for periods and live a more sedentary lifestyle at times. <br />
<br />
==Common Yearnings==<br />
* Social contribution, volunteering, meaningful projects, social revolution<br />
* Trust<br />
* Change<br />
* Social identity, a tribe<br />
* Integrity of our values, bend them as little as possible<br />
* Environmental sustainability<br />
* Time not wasted on things we don't support<br />
* Deeper bonding - relationships<br />
* Elements of stability<br />
<br />
==Common Needs==<br />
<br />
===Basic Needs===<br />
* Rest, warm shelter (subject to seasons), quietness, sleep space<br />
* Food<br />
* Hygiene & health care<br />
* Love<br />
* Emotional support<br />
* Physical integrity / Safety<br />
* Personal space - although it's generally less than sedentary people, it's still a need, and we tend to forget it<br />
* Exercise, sports, or play<br />
* Support in case of emergency<br />
<br />
===Social & Actualization Needs===<br />
* Family, homely feeling<br />
* Being in touch with other people - home, family, hosts, friends, etc, a place to receive mail<br />
* Acceptance / Identity<br />
* Growth, learning opportunities<br />
* Opportunities to contribute to projects that value us<br />
* Differentiate what we need from what we should/are told to do<br />
* Discover other practices<br />
* Meeting new people<br />
* Share (like it's vital to do it..)<br />
* Find balance, feel grounded<br />
* Not to go through the same cycles over and over and re-do things endlessly<br />
* Delearn/Unlearn<br />
* Location-Independent techniques, methods, rituals<br />
<br />
===Technical Needs===<br />
* Internet connection<br />
* Transportation - within cities or between cities<br />
* A place to drop stuff, and respect of property / intimacy / organizational needs<br />
* Money<br />
* A legal status (avoid being deported)<br />
* Working space (eventually a chair and desk), and uninterrupted quiet time<br />
* Working material (stationary, art supplies. <br />
* Find the next place you're going to be / sleep at<br />
* Language skills/learning, communication, etc<br />
<br />
==Common Resources==<br />
* Nomadbase-type economic projects<br />
* Networks & Communities<br />
** Skill-sharing<br />
** HospEx<br />
** Intentional Communities<br />
* Peer production infrastructures<br />
* Mainstream institution support: grants, programs...<br />
* Sponsorship opportunities<br />
* Freeshops (spaces to exchange/swap goods - especially clothes)<br />
* People we've met & their resources<br />
* Willingness to use hidden resources, dearingness<br />
* Freedom of thought, decision, location<br />
* Informal education, Open Universities<br />
<br />
==Common Challenges==<br />
<br />
* Lack of residency status in any country<br />
* Create (our own) reference points<br />
* Exhaustion of the road and withdrawal<br />
** Punctual physical weakening<br />
** How to keep the underground close to the surface, to not withdraw ourselves from all other 'realities'<br />
* Staying connected without being online all the time<br />
<br />
===Relationships===<br />
* Communication/relations with sedentary people - others who do not experience multiple shifting realities <br />
** Keeping presence when faced to other peoples fears<br />
* Stable intimate relationships<br />
* Sustaining a family<br />
* Other family responsibilities<br />
* Go beyond superficial relationships<br />
* Are we selfish because we don't come "back" when something happens "back home"?<br />
<br />
===Economics===<br />
* '''Earn money''': Some people stop to get a full-time job for a short period, other freelance...<br />
* '''Spendings''': ... and where and how to spend less<br />
<br />
===Social Participation===<br />
* Collaborate on long term projects<br />
* '''Build social recognition''': people assimilate freely neonomads, travelers, tourists and freeloaders, but these concepts do not overlap clearly, and carry different connotations.<br />
<br />
==Common cultural elements==<br />
<br />
* Curiosity - looking forward to learning about other cultures, other ways of doing things, other <br />
* Priorites are defined differently because needs are defined differently<br />
* Neonomads create the world that the live in<br />
* Generally wary of labels - Maybe because we're [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychical_Nomadism|psychical nomads]?<br />
* Sometimes we are tired of travelling and must settle a bit... Sometimes we're tired of settling and we need to travel a bit...<br />
* Nomads have little fears<br />
* We want to be a little bit there and a little bit away at the same time...<br />
<br />
===Conception of Time===<br />
<br />
Most neonomads do not differentiate the days of the week, and treat each day as "another day". Therefore, they do not see week-ends as special moments.<br />
<br />
They have a conception of time that is very anchored in the present. It's difficult for them to make plans further than a few months ahead, and if they do, it's very likely that these plans will change according to the opportunities they meet en-route. They usually have a flexible approach to scheduling. They can have very productive periods followed by rest days or travelling days, each of these feeding a different aspect of the nomad's life. <br />
<br />
===Conception of Space===<br />
<br />
===Conception of Money===<br />
* Contributing to Society, paying taxes, hitchhiking, dumpster diving. Are these activities parasiting society, commensalism, or is it even productive? Our conception of the morality of these activities may differ a lot from the common thought.<br />
* We feel we're more useful to society by living this way than being in a life we wouldn't like, with a regular job, etc.<br />
===Conception of Comfort & Material World===<br />
* Nomads belonging are also nomadic, especially clothes, furniture, tools..<br />
* Ability to turn trash into food<br />
===Conception of Relationships===<br />
* Trust, regularity not needed so much as joy and moments of connection<br />
* Sharing-oriented interaction<br />
===Conception of Travelling===<br />
*Travelling is not a holiday, but it's just life, it's the way life is experienced<br />
* Travelling as an archetype of freedom. Freedom is freedom of thoughts, acts..<br />
<br />
==More resources==<br />
* A wikistory on [[Digital Nomads]]<br />
* http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/technomad<br />
* [http://delicious.com/deliciousdante/nomadology Dante's Nomadology Links]<br />
* {{Wikipedia}}<br />
* {{Wikipedia|Perpetual_traveler|Perpetual travelers}}<br />
* {{Wikipedia|Itinerant|Itinerants}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:People]]<br />
[[Category:Theory]]<br />
[[Category:Definition]]<br />
[[Category:Nomadbase]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Nomad&diff=1653Nomad2009-11-27T19:35:21Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
<hr />
<div>Nomadic people (Greek: νομάδες, nomádes, "those who let pasture herds") are communities of people who move from one place to another, rather than settling permanently in one location. There are an estimated 30 to 40 million nomads in the world. While most of these nomads are part of rather traditional nomadic tribes, there is also a small but increasing amount of people (mostly in the Western world) who adopt a nomadic lifestyle, roaming around freely over a vast territory. <br />
<br />
Other and older terms used to describe all kinds of nomads: hobos, itinerants, technomads, perpetual travelers, location independent professional, vagabond, tramps... <br />
<br />
Humans have been surviving for hundreds of thousands of years as nomadic tribes, maximizing the effectiveness of the use of resources through sharing within their tribes. Still today, some of the harshest places on earth are inhabited by nomads.<br />
<br />
__TOC__<br />
<br />
This page integrates a "What's a nomad" discussion at the 2009 [[SHE goes MAD|S.H.E.]]<br />
<br />
=Neonomads=<br />
<br />
''Neonomads are yet to be properly defined.''<br />
<br />
Neonomads are people travelling as a lifestyle, staying a few days to a few months in a place. <br />
<br />
Neonomads, can be travelling with very limited amounts of money, through [[hitchhiking]], [[gift economy]], [[dumpster diving]] or just by trusting strangers, learning to receive, hence to give and [[share]], according their needs and resources. They feel home wherever they are.<br />
<br />
What is a nomad? A nomad is someone who believes that traveling (physically or mentally) is a way to learn (about others and about themselves) and to '''experience life'''. Some of the nomads travel for work, others for study, others to learn from random encounters on the road. <br />
<br />
Neonomadism is a non-exclusive sub-culture. People can identify themselves as nomad to a certain extend without being constantly on the road, or they can be nomads for periods and live a more sedentary lifestyle at times. <br />
<br />
==Common Yearnings==<br />
* Social contribution, volunteering, meaningful projects, social revolution<br />
* Trust<br />
* Change<br />
* Social identity, a tribe<br />
* Integrity of our values, bend them as little as possible<br />
* Environmental sustainability<br />
* Time not wasted on things we don't support<br />
* Deeper bonding - relationships<br />
* Elements of stability<br />
<br />
==Common Needs==<br />
<br />
===Basic Needs===<br />
* Rest, warm shelter (subject to seasons), quietness, sleep space<br />
* Food<br />
* Hygiene & health care<br />
* Love<br />
* Emotional support<br />
* Physical integrity / Safety<br />
* Personal space - although it's generally less than sedentary people, it's still a need, and we tend to forget it<br />
* Exercise, sports, or play<br />
* Support in case of emergency<br />
<br />
===Social & Actualization Needs===<br />
* Family, homely feeling<br />
* Being in touch with other people - home, family, hosts, friends, etc, a place to receive mail<br />
* Acceptance / Identity<br />
* Growth, learning opportunities<br />
* Opportunities to contribute to projects that value us<br />
* Differentiate what we need from what we should/are told to do<br />
* Discover other practices<br />
* Meeting new people<br />
* Share (like it's vital to do it..)<br />
* Find balance, feel grounded<br />
* Not to go through the same cycles over and over and re-do things endlessly<br />
* Delearn/Unlearn<br />
* Location-Independent techniques, methods, rituals<br />
<br />
===Technical Needs===<br />
* Internet connection<br />
* Transportation - within cities or between cities<br />
* A place to drop stuff, and respect of property / intimacy / organizational needs<br />
* Money<br />
* A legal status (avoid being deported)<br />
* Working space (eventually a chair and desk), and uninterrupted quiet time<br />
* Working material (stationary, art supplies. <br />
* Find the next place you're going to be / sleep at<br />
* Language skills/learning, communication, etc<br />
<br />
==Common Resources==<br />
* Nomadbase-type economic projects<br />
* Networks & Communities<br />
** Skill-sharing<br />
** HospEx<br />
** Intentional Communities<br />
* Peer production infrastructures<br />
* Mainstream institution support: grants, programs...<br />
* Sponsorship opportunities<br />
* Freeshops (spaces to exchange/swap goods - especially clothes)<br />
* People we've met & their resources<br />
* Willingness to use hidden resources, dearingness<br />
* Freedom of thought, decision, location<br />
* Informal education, Open Universities<br />
<br />
==Common Challenges==<br />
<br />
* Lack of residency status in any country<br />
* Create (our own) reference points<br />
* Exhaustion of the road and withdrawal<br />
** Punctual physical weakening<br />
** How to keep the underground close to the surface, to not withdraw ourselves from all other 'realities'<br />
* Staying connected without being online all the time<br />
<br />
===Relationships===<br />
* Communication/relations with sedentary people - others who do not experience multiple shifting realities <br />
** Keeping presence when faced to other peoples fears<br />
* Stable intimate relationships<br />
* Sustaining a family<br />
* Other family responsibilities<br />
* Go beyond superficial relationships<br />
* Are we selfish because we don't come "back" when something happens "back home"?<br />
<br />
===Economics===<br />
* '''Earn money''': Some people stop to get a full-time job for a short period, other freelance...<br />
* '''Spendings''': ... and where and how to spend less<br />
<br />
===Social Participation===<br />
* Collaborate on long term projects<br />
* '''Build social recognition''': people assimilate freely neonomads, travelers, tourists and freeloaders, but these concepts do not overlap clearly, and carry different connotations.<br />
<br />
==Common cultural elements==<br />
<br />
* Curiosity - looking forward to learning about other cultures, other ways of doing things, other <br />
* Priorites are defined differently because needs are defined differently<br />
* Neonomads create the world that the live in<br />
* Generally wary of labels - Maybe because we're [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychical_Nomadism|psychical nomads]?<br />
* Sometimes we are tired of travelling and must settle a bit... Sometimes we're tired of settling and we need to travel a bit...<br />
* Nomads have little fears<br />
* We want to be a little bit there and a little bit away at the same time...<br />
<br />
===Conception of Time===<br />
<br />
Most neonomads do not differentiate the days of the week, and treat each day as "another day". Therefore, they do not see week-ends as special moments.<br />
<br />
They have a conception of time that is very anchored in the present. It's difficult for them to make plans further than a few months ahead, and if they do, it's very likely that these plans will change according to the opportunities they meet en-route. They usually have a flexible approach to scheduling. They can have very productive periods followed by rest days or travelling days, each of these feeding a different aspect of the nomad's life. <br />
<br />
===Conception of Space===<br />
<br />
===Conception of Money===<br />
* Contributing to Society, paying taxes, hitchhiking, dumpster diving. Are these activities parasiting society, commensalism, or is it even productive? Our conception of the morality of these activities may differ a lot from the common thought.<br />
* We feel we're more useful to society by living this way than being in a life we wouldn't like, with a regular job, etc.<br />
===Conception of Comfort & Material World===<br />
* Nomads belonging are also nomadic, especially clothes, furniture, tools..<br />
* Ability to turn trash into food<br />
===Conception of Relationships===<br />
* Trust, regularity not needed so much as joy and moments of connection<br />
* Sharing-oriented interaction<br />
===Conception of Travelling===<br />
*Travelling is not a holiday, but it's just life, it's the way life is experienced<br />
* Travelling as an archetype of freedom. Freedom is freedom of thoughts, acts..<br />
<br />
==More resources==<br />
* A wikistory on [[Digital Nomads]]<br />
* http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/technomad<br />
* [http://delicious.com/deliciousdante/nomadology Dante's Nomadology Links]<br />
* {{Wikipedia}}<br />
* {{Wikipedia|Perpetual_traveler|Perpetual travelers}}<br />
* {{Wikipedia|Itinerant|Itinerants}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:People]]<br />
[[Category:Theory]]<br />
[[Category:Definition]]<br />
[[Category:Nomadbase]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Nomadbase_communication_strategy&diff=1652Nomadbase communication strategy2009-11-27T19:27:28Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
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The communication strategy aims at bringing the knowledge of the existence of the nomadbase initiative to:<br />
*Already existing nomadbases that wish to network with other similar initiatives<br />
*People that wish to benefit from the experience of existing and networked nomad bases in order of open their own.<br />
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There seems to be a consensus about first networking the bases together AND starting new ones before (if ever) communicating to travellers.<br />
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==List of ideas==<br />
Each item of that list must be made into a paragraph further down the page, or a page of their own. If you have a great idea but no time to expand on it, list it already, someone else will do the job.<br />
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*Define a "nomadbase maintainer persona"<br />
:is this really needed?<br />
::Only if we want something to help keep a consistent communication when many people might be involved. Anyway, this is brainstorming. List all ideas, even the bad ones.--[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 09:55, 26 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
*List the channels that we may use to reach them<br />
*Growing organically - not that much outreach beyond our peers (be aware of the couchsurfing syndrome)<br />
*Open a [[Nomadbase communication|communication page]] to list all the communication related items.<br />
:done<br />
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==Communication persona==<br />
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This page has been moved to the [http://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nomadbase_communication_strategy&action=edit discussion page]. As it has sparked much discussion. Discuss it there.<br />
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==How to reach them==<br />
===Technophiles===<br />
*Hospitality networks<br />
**Create groups<br />
**Publish on CS city groups and related interest groups (alternative ways of living...).<br />
***Write a sample mail, put it on the [[Nomadbase communication|communication page]]<br />
*Facebook<br />
**Open a page<br />
**Link it to the profiles of the people participating in the initiative.<br />
*Twitter<br />
**Open an account<br />
**Use a hashtag<br />
*Other social net tool?<br />
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Put someone in charge of all that. There's nothing so pathetic than disused communication tool.<br />
:How? We're no slave of the community!<br />
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===Non-techs===<br />
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What's that? Well, let's take an extreme: Some hippie commune with just one MS Windows computer that is always off anyways.<br />
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*Send travelers with [Lighfoot|lightfoot] letters<br />
:confuse people and call them "ambassadors"...<br />
::Huh! Why not "viceroys" --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 18:22, 25 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
*Have communication material available in key-physical-places<br />
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What kind of physical places our non-tech target are likely to be found?<br />
Re: Infoshops/ Alternative cafe's/Cultural associations like the T-house <br />
:Check: "Organisations" chapter below<br />
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==Organisations==<br />
Some organisations that are on the same wavelengh would link our website and/or put flyers on their desks and/or other, all it takes is to let them know. Also, for the non-tech, organisation with physical premisces might be the only propagation vector.<br />
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*Associations will definitely link us.<br />
*Bloggers too<br />
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===List of key words===<br />
Non profits, fair trade, environmental stuff, WOOF, volunteering<br />
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==Communication tools==<br />
What do we actually use. Well, that goes on the [[Nomadbase communication|communication page]].<br />
<br />
==Disagreements==<br />
This page has been moved to the [http://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nomadbase_communication_strategy&action=edit discussion page]. Discuss it there.<br />
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[[Category:Nomadbase]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Nomadbase_communication_strategy&diff=1651Nomadbase communication strategy2009-11-27T19:26:43Z<p>Sitarane: Unprotected "Nomadbase communication strategy"</p>
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<div>{{she}}<br />
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{{draft}}<br />
Please comment the entries that you wish to comment using the [http://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Nomadbase_communication_strategy&action=edit edit] button.<br />
<br />
The communication strategy aims at bringing the knowledge of the existence of the nomadbase initiative to:<br />
*Already existing nomadbases that wish to network with other similar initiatives<br />
*People that wish to benefit from the experience of existing and networked nomad bases in order of open their own.<br />
<br />
There seems to be a consensus about first networking the bases together AND starting new ones before (if ever) communicating to travellers.<br />
<br />
==List of ideas==<br />
Each item of that list must be made into a paragraph further down the page, or a page of their own. If you have a great idea but no time to expand on it, list it already, someone else will do the job.<br />
<br />
*Define a "nomadbase maintainer persona"<br />
:is this really needed?<br />
::Only if we want something to help keep a consistent communication when many people might be involved. Anyway, this is brainstorming. List all ideas, even the bad ones.--[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 09:55, 26 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
*List the channels that we may use to reach them<br />
*Growing organically - not that much outreach beyond our peers (be aware of the couchsurfing syndrome)<br />
*Open a [[Nomadbase communication|communication page]] to list all the communication related items.<br />
:done<br />
<br />
==Communication persona==<br />
<br />
This page has been moved to the [http://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nomadbase_communication_strategy&action=edit discussion page]. As it has sparked much discussion. Discuss it there.<br />
<br />
==How to reach them==<br />
===Technophiles===<br />
*Hospitality networks<br />
**Create groups<br />
**Publish on CS city groups and related interest groups (alternative ways of living...).<br />
***Write a sample mail, put it on the [[Nomadbase communication|communication page]]<br />
*Facebook<br />
**Open a page<br />
**Link it to the profiles of the people participating in the initiative.<br />
*Twitter<br />
**Open an account<br />
**Use a hashtag<br />
*Other social net tool?<br />
<br />
Put someone in charge of all that. There's nothing so pathetic than disused communication tool.<br />
:How? We're no slave of the community!<br />
<br />
===Non-techs===<br />
<br />
What's that? Well, let's take an extreme: Some hippie commune with just one MS Windows computer that is always off anyways.<br />
<br />
*Send travelers with [Lighfoot|lightfoot] letters<br />
:confuse people and call them "ambassadors"...<br />
::Huh! Why not "viceroys" --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 18:22, 25 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
*Have communication material available in key-physical-places<br />
<br />
What kind of physical places our non-tech target are likely to be found?<br />
Re: Infoshops/ Alternative cafe's/Cultural associations like the T-house <br />
:Check: "Organisations" chapter below<br />
<br />
==Organisations==<br />
Some organisations that are on the same wavelengh would link our website and/or put flyers on their desks and/or other, all it takes is to let them know. Also, for the non-tech, organisation with physical premisces might be the only propagation vector.<br />
<br />
*Associations will definitely link us.<br />
*Bloggers too<br />
<br />
===List of key words===<br />
Non profits, fair trade, environmental stuff, WOOF, volunteering<br />
<br />
==Communication tools==<br />
What do we actually use. Well, that goes on the [[Nomadbase communication|communication page]].<br />
<br />
==Disagreements==<br />
This page has been moved to the [http://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nomadbase_communication_strategy&action=edit discussion page]. Discuss it there.<br />
<br />
[[Category:Nomadbase]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Guifi&diff=1643Guifi2009-11-27T17:43:22Z<p>Sitarane: </p>
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<div>'''guifi.net''' is a community based free and neutral digital-network with no limits. It is based in [[Catalunya]]. More than 8.000 people are day to day using guifi.net for accessing broadband internet. <br />
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Guifi is a working example of a [[commons|common]], neutral and [[free]] network.<br />
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* http://guifi.net/en<br />
* [http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/is-guifinet-an-alternative-independent-internet/2008/11/10 Is Guifi.net an alternative independent internet?]<br />
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[[Category:Practice_of_Sharing]]<br />
[[Category:Wireless_Mashup_Network]]</div>Sitaranehttps://sharewiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Nomadbase_communication_strategy&diff=1639Talk:Nomadbase communication strategy2009-11-27T14:41:53Z<p>Sitarane: New page: ==Communicatin persona== Rules of the game: Lets describe a personality that would apply to 70% of nomadbase maintainers but would not be too specific. We can use that "persona" to set t...</p>
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<div>==Communicatin persona==<br />
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Rules of the game:<br />
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Lets describe a personality that would apply to 70% of nomadbase maintainers but would not be too specific.<br />
We can use that "persona" to set the tone of our communication.<br />
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:''In case the community decides to go for the CasaRobino model as a standard for nomad bases such as one person maintaining the house, individual decisions, costs covered by the householder, donation accepted, full time host'' (added by Valentina)<br />
::I think more people agree to this. Julien who wrote this piece was just trying to make something useful. It was a day when he wanted to brainstorm with more people, but there wasn't anyone to brainstorm with! At one of the meetings here in Berlin we already concluded that there shouldn't be '''one''' nomadbase profile and that hence the '''proposed''' profile written down below is irrelevant. --[[User:Robino|Robino]] 00:39, 26 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::True. I did not just use Casarobino as a template for that. I have been to a couple of similar places and tried to find some commonity (yep, that's a new word :) ) between them. Most of the time it was actually more than one maintainer, but it doesn't matter here. We don't mean to categorize the people opening their house, we just want to have a consistent picture in our mind when... writing an email to them for example. You don't write the same way when you have Idiana Jones in your mind and when you have Mother Theresa. It's just a communication trick. --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 10:00, 26 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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So, what does a nomad base maintainer look like?<br />
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*Age: 25-35<br />
*Generous<br />
*Narrow-minded<br />
*Some sort of education.<br />
*High degree of social skills<br />
*Non conformist<br />
*Alternative political views<br />
*Strong personality - Don't like to be told what to do<br />
*The ability to get things done even when everyone tells you to stop<br />
*Always agrees with everyone <br />
:" Can't always agree with everyone! Let's say he/she reaches consensus" [[User:E|E]] 10:33, 26 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
*The perfect host: "is everyone's needs met?"<br />
:"Same here. Can't be perfect. A good host, tries that everyone's needs are met." [[User:E|E]] 10:33, 26 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
*Not necessarily traveler<br />
*Curious about new/efficient social paradigm<br />
*Lets pastamadre die every other week<br />
:''What''?<br />
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When actually communicating, do it like if you were talking to the person described above.<br />
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:ad-hoc meeting here at the T-house disagrees with a nomad base profile. Though the idea would be good to think who to communicate to, it might be better to keep it simple here, so be able to have a more inclusive approach.<br />
::This is not about website profile or virtual persona. It's just a communication trick. Here, I'll change the word "profile" and everyone will be happy --[[User:Sitarane|Sitarane]] 10:03, 26 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Disagreements==<br />
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I disagree with this page. I don't think we need this at all. I would like to have a discussion about it before going further on this, especially since there are more people who strongly disagree with this page and strategy. <br />
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Instead of writing down a strategy I think it is far more important to understand our communication needs. Answering these questions should be part of a group deliberation, doing it over wiki might not be very effective for this.<br />
* Do we want to communicate about this beyond our peers? <br />
* If so, how far beyond? <br />
* Who do we want inside out network?<br />
* What are the priorities?<br />
* How do we want to communicate?<br />
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Personally I think we should focus on existing projects, and forward these people to our knowledge base which would be on the website. Also I think that communication by way of lightfoot might even be more efficient than e-mail ;) Instead of focusing on this and going into lenghty discussions, maybe better to have focus on things that are more important?--[[User:Robino|Robino]] 13:42, 26 November 2009 (UTC)</div>Sitarane